[DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 3 11:47:50 EDT 2015
I think the Windsor is from the same period.
From: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
...stick with it's period power plant.
Amen to that.
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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Well, you certainly know by now there's not one answer to that question...best solution depends a lot on how much you want to spend, how much work you want to do, and personal preferences.
> My personal thought is, unless you're planning to modernize and modify the entire car, stick with its period powerplant.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:36 AM
> To: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past, but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved with the Pantera following over the years.
>
> If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and some based on perception.
>
> 351 Cleveland or Windsor?
>
> I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original engine or any engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true. Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches. Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor mount locations.
> The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving theoretically more room for headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side. (?) length and height appear negligibly different.
>
> The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
>
> http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>
> ....the Windsor appears to be about 25 lbs lighter, depending on source and configuration. Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a drawback . The aftermarket support for Windsor family engines appears significantly larger... every 289-302-351w cylinder head is an option. Many different manufacturers and models from Trickflow, Brodix, AFR, Ford motorsport, Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know of 600-plus streetable horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor with similar performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard to make 550 horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get through and through.
>
> My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaust systems etc are of no concern to me.
>
> So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a driving concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other than purity? I find that a majority of Pantera enthusiasts aren't purists anyway. Are their other fitment concerns I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts..
>
> Cullen
>
> .
>
>
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I think the Windsor is from the same period.
__________________________________________________________________
From: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
To: Tony DiGiovanna <tonydigi at optonline.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
...stick with it's period power plant.
Amen to that.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 2, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Tony DiGiovanna
<[1]tonydigi at optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Well, you certainly know by now there's not one answer to that
question...best solution depends a lot on how much you want to spend,
how much work you want to do, and personal preferences.
> My personal thought is, unless you're planning to modernize and
modify the entire car, stick with its period powerplant.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Cullen McCann
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:36 AM
> To: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past,
but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved
with the Pantera following over the years.
>
> If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and
some based on perception.
>
> 351 Cleveland or Windsor?
>
> I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
engine or any engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w
motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true.
Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches.
Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor
mount locations.
> The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving theoretically more room for
headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side. (?) length and height appear
negligibly different.
>
> The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
>
> [3]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>
> ....the Windsor appears to be about 25 lbs lighter, depending on
source and configuration. Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a
drawback . The aftermarket support for Windsor family engines appears
significantly larger... every 289-302-351w cylinder head is an option.
Many different manufacturers and models from Trickflow, Brodix, AFR,
Ford motorsport, Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know of 600-plus
streetable horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor with similar
performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard to make 550
horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get through and
through.
>
> My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability
of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaust systems etc are of no
concern to me.
>
> So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a
driving concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other than
purity? I find that a majority of Pantera enthusiasts aren't purists
anyway. Are their other fitment concerns I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts..
>
> Cullen
>
> .
>
>
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