[DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Wed Sep 2 21:00:49 EDT 2015


Here¹s my take.

It doesn¹t make a lot of sense to run a 351W instead of a 351C.  They are
almost the same engine, except that you changed the part of the 351C that
makes it so great.  The heads.

Sure, you can run 351C heads on an SVO block.  But I think you were
talking about using 351W heads.

If you are going Windsor, you should consider a 347, based on a 5.0 block.
 That would give you more room around the headers, distributor, etc.

On 9/2/15, 8:32 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Kirby Schrader"
<detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of kirbyschrader at mac.com> wrote:

>Thomas,
>
>Not if you go with an SVO block.
>I have a 9.2² Windsor SVO and a 9.5² Windsor SVO.
>
>Now then, if you¹re talking about a Œnormal¹ Windsor, I¹d rather not use
>them.
>Big main bearings. Cleveland bearings are smaller and you can get more
>rpm.
>
>But heyŠ I¹m sure Dan Jones will chime in with more information when he
>gets time!
>:-)
>
>Regards,
>Kirby
>
>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 13:42, thomas <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
>> 
>> The Windsor is taller, 9.5" vs 9.2" deck height, and thus (at least in
>>theory) wider. Unless you are going for a 302W of course.
>> 
>>> 2 sep 2015 kl. 17:36 skrev Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>  Dear Forum,
>>>  I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past,
>>>  but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved
>>>  with the Pantera following over the years.
>>>  If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and
>>>some
>>>  based on perception.
>>>  351 Cleveland or Windsor?
>>>  I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
>>>  engine or anyA engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w
>>>  motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true.
>>>  Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches.
>>>  Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor
>>>  mount locations. The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving
>>>  theoretically more room for headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side.
>>>  (?) length and height appear negligibly different.A
>>>  The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
>>>  A
>>>  [1]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>>>  ....theA WindsorA  appears to be about 25A lbs lighter,A depending on
>>>  source and configuration.A Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a
>>>  drawback . The aftermarket support forA WindsorA family engines
>>>appears
>>>  significantly larger...A everyA 289-302-351w cylinder headA isA an
>>>  option.A Many different manufacturers and models fromA Trickflow,
>>>  Brodix, AFR, Ford motorsport,A Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I
>>>know
>>>  of 600-plus streetableA horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor
>>>  with similar performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard
>>>  to make 550 horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get
>>>  through and through.
>>>  My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
>>>  narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability
>>>  of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaustA systemsA etc are of
>>>  no concern to me.
>>>  So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a
>>>driving
>>>  concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other thanA purity?
>>>I
>>>  find that aA majority of PanteraA enthusiastsA aren't purists anyway.
>>>  Are their other fitment concernsA I'm not aware of?
>>>  Thanks for your thoughts..
>>>  Cullen
>>>  .
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>>  1. http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>>> 
>>> 
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