[DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..

[Kirby Schrader]

Thomas,

Not if you go with an SVO block.
I have a 9.2” Windsor SVO and a 9.5” Windsor SVO.

Now then, if you’re talking about a ‘normal’ Windsor, I’d rather not use them.
Big main bearings. Cleveland bearings are smaller and you can get more rpm.

But hey… I’m sure Dan Jones will chime in with more information when he gets time!
:-)

Regards,
Kirby

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 13:42, thomas <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
> 
> The Windsor is taller, 9.5" vs 9.2" deck height, and thus (at least in theory) wider. Unless you are going for a 302W of course. 
> 
>> 2 sep 2015 kl. 17:36 skrev Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>  Dear Forum,
>>  I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past,
>>  but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved
>>  with the Pantera following over the years.
>>  If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and some
>>  based on perception.
>>  351 Cleveland or Windsor?
>>  I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
>>  engine or anyA engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w
>>  motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true.
>>  Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches.
>>  Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor
>>  mount locations. The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving
>>  theoretically more room for headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side.
>>  (?) length and height appear negligibly different.A
>>  The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
>>  A
>>  [1]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>>  ....theA WindsorA  appears to be about 25A lbs lighter,A depending on
>>  source and configuration.A Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a
>>  drawback . The aftermarket support forA WindsorA family engines appears
>>  significantly larger...A everyA 289-302-351w cylinder headA isA an
>>  option.A Many different manufacturers and models fromA Trickflow,
>>  Brodix, AFR, Ford motorsport,A Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know
>>  of 600-plus streetableA horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor
>>  with similar performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard
>>  to make 550 horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get
>>  through and through.
>>  My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
>>  narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability
>>  of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaustA systemsA etc are of
>>  no concern to me.
>>  So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a driving
>>  concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other thanA purity? I
>>  find that aA majority of PanteraA enthusiastsA aren't purists anyway.
>>  Are their other fitment concernsA I'm not aware of?
>>  Thanks for your thoughts..
>>  Cullen
>>  .
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>> 
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