[DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
Cullen McCann
cmccann1972 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 2 12:53:07 EDT 2015
Id love to know more about it! I am familiar with the term, but don't know
enough about the pros and cons. Id like to avoid special machining or
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:03 AM, MyCars <mycars at comcast.net> wrote:
> What about taking the best of both worlds and going with the Clevor
> option. (Windsor block mated to the massive Cleveland heads)
>
> On 9/2/2015 8:36 AM, Cullen McCann wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
> I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past,
> but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved
> with the Pantera following over the years.
> If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and some
> based on perception.
> 351 Cleveland or Windsor?
> I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
> engine or anyA engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w
> motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true.
> Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches.
> Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor
> mount locations. The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving
> theoretically more room for headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side.
> (?) length and height appear negligibly different.A
> The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
> A
> [1][1]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
> ....theA WindsorA appears to be about 25A lbs lighter,A depending on
> source and configuration.A Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a
> drawback . The aftermarket support forA WindsorA family engines appears
> significantly larger...A everyA 289-302-351w cylinder headA isA an
> option.A Many different manufacturers and models fromA Trickflow,
> Brodix, AFR, Ford motorsport,A Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know
> of 600-plus streetableA horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor
> with similar performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard
> to make 550 horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get
> through and through.
> My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
> narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability
> of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaustA systemsA etc are of
> no concern to me.
> So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a driving
> concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other thanA purity? I
> find that aA majority of PanteraA enthusiastsA aren't purists anyway.
> Are their other fitment concernsA I'm not aware of?
> Thanks for your thoughts..
> Cullen
> .
>
> References
>
> 1. [2]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>
>
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Id love to know more about it! I am familiar with the term, but don't
know enough about the pros and cons. Id like to avoid special machining
or
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:03 AM, MyCars <[1]mycars at comcast.net> wrote:
A A What about taking the best of both worlds and going with the
Clevor
A A option. (Windsor block mated to the massive Cleveland heads)
A A On 9/2/2015 8:36 AM, Cullen McCann wrote:
A A Dear Forum,
A A I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the
past,
A A but I cant readily find it and have only been intermittently
involved
A A with the Pantera following over the years.
A A If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research
and some
A A based on perception.
A A 351 Cleveland or Windsor?
A A I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the
original
A A engine or anyA engine for it at this time. I have had several
351w
A A motors over the years. I understand the following criteria to
be true.
A A Both motors displace the same number, approximately, of cubic
inches.
A A Both have the same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same
motor
A A mount locations. The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving
A A theoretically more room for headers, fuel tanks, etc on either
side.
A A (?) length and height appear negligibly different.A
A A The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online
sources:
A A A
A
A [1][1][2]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
A A ....theA WindsorAA appears to be about 25A lbs lighter,A
depending on
A A source and configuration.A Not a huge benefit, but certainly
not a
A A drawback . The aftermarket support forA WindsorA family engines
appears
A A significantly larger...A everyA 289-302-351w cylinder headA isA
an
A A option.A Many different manufacturers and models fromA
Trickflow,
A A Brodix, AFR, Ford motorsport,A Edelbrock etc are to choose
from. I know
A A of 600-plus streetableA horsepower motors in both. I have a
Windsor
A A with similar performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was
not hard
A A to make 550 horse in the Windsor and parts were very easy to
get
A A through and through.
A A My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support
is much
A A narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes
availability
A A of good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaustA systemsA etc
are of
A A no concern to me.
A A So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a
driving
A A concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other thanA
purity? I
A A find that aA majority of PanteraA enthusiastsA aren't purists
anyway.
A A Are their other fitment concernsA I'm not aware of?
A A Thanks for your thoughts..
A A Cullen
A A .
References
A A 1.
[2][3]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
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