[DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..

Cullen McCann cmccann1972 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 2 11:53:48 EDT 2015


LOL!!!!!

well... I live in Windsor, Ontario... so Im in the same boat!!!   ( not
really...but it was a good comeback)

Cullen (lives in central Oklahoma) McCann

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Larry - Ohio Time <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
wrote:

> Cullen,
>
> When you live in Cleveland it makes the decision much EZer.
>
> Larry (only EZ thing)- Cleveland
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Cullen
> McCann
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:36 AM
> To: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
>
> Dear Forum,
>
> I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past, but I
> cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved with the
> Pantera following over the years.
>
> If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and some
> based on perception.
>
> 351 Cleveland or Windsor?
>
> I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
> engine or any engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w motors
> over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true. Both motors
> displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches. Both have the
> same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor mount locations.
> The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving theoretically more room for
> headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side. (?) length and height appear
> negligibly different.
>
> The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
>
> http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
>
> ....the Windsor  appears to be about 25 lbs lighter, depending on source
> and configuration. Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a drawback . The
> aftermarket support for Windsor family engines appears significantly
> larger... every 289-302-351w cylinder head is an option. Many different
> manufacturers and models from Trickflow, Brodix, AFR, Ford
> motorsport, Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know of 600-plus
> streetable horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor with similar
> performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard to make 550 horse
> in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get through and through.
>
> My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
> narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability of
> good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaust systems etc are of no
> concern to me.
>
> So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a driving
> concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other than purity? I find
> that a majority of Pantera enthusiasts aren't purists anyway. Are their
> other fitment concerns I'm not aware of?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts..
>
> Cullen
>
> .
>
>
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   LOL!!!!!
   well... I live in Windsor, Ontario... so Im in the same boat!!!A A  (
   not really...but it was a good comeback)
   Cullen (lives in central Oklahoma) McCann

   On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Larry - Ohio Time
   <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:

     Cullen,
     When you live in Cleveland it makes the decision much EZer.
     Larry (only EZ thing)- Cleveland

   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
   Cullen McCann
   Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:36 AM
   To: DeTomaso Forum
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Windsor or Cleveland question..
   Dear Forum,
   I'm sure this question has been discussed more than once in the past,
   but I
   cant readily find it and have only been intermittently involved with
   the
   Pantera following over the years.
   If I get my facts wrong, forgive me. Some is based on research and some
   based on perception.
   351 Cleveland or Windsor?
   I need to build a motor for my car anyway. I do not have the original
   engine or any engine for it at this time. I have had several 351w
   motors
   over the years. I understand the following criteria to be true. Both
   motors
   displace the same number, approximately, of cubic inches. Both have the
   same bellhousing bolt pattern. Both have the same motor mount
   locations.
   The Windsor is slightly narrower, leaving theoretically more room for
   headers, fuel tanks, etc on either side. (?) length and height appear
   negligibly different.
   The Windsor is lighter in pounds. According to a few online sources:
   [3]http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html
   ....the WindsorA  appears to be about 25 lbs lighter, depending on
   source
   and configuration. Not a huge benefit, but certainly not a drawback .
   The
   aftermarket support for Windsor family engines appears significantly
   larger... every 289-302-351w cylinder head is an option. Many different
   manufacturers and models from Trickflow, Brodix, AFR, Ford
   motorsport, Edelbrock etc are to choose from. I know of 600-plus
   streetable horsepower motors in both. I have a Windsor with similar
   performance numbers in my Cobra Replica. It was not hard to make 550
   horse
   in the Windsor and parts were very easy to get through and through.
   My perception is that the Cleveland motor aftermarket support is much
   narrower, much more limited in choices for heads, intakes availability
   of
   good blocks, etc. Factory accessories, exhaust systems etc are of no
   concern to me.
   So...the obvious forthcoming question...if originality wasn't a driving
   concern...why go Cleveland?? Whats the motivation other than purity? I
   find
   that a majority of Pantera enthusiasts aren't purists anyway. Are their
   other fitment concerns I'm not aware of?
   Thanks for your thoughts..
   Cullen
   .

References

   1. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
   2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
   3. http://www.mustangsandmore.com/ubb/EngineDimensions.html


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