[DeTomaso] Techno Question: Competion Brakes

[Charles Engles]

Dear Ken,

 

               ……since I am not racing for money, I think the brake budget is a lower than the stratosphere of exotic brake materials…but your comments are well taken.

 

               I recall your Porsche brake project.  I am surprised that given your engineering skills and automotive enthusiasm that the Turbo brakes were unexpectedly problematic.  If you had it to do all over, then would you still go Porsche Turbo or would you opt for an aftermarket street/track brake system??

 

                            Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

 

 

From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:24 PM
To: Charles Engles; detomaso at poca.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Competion Brakes

 

Seems like the answer depends on wheel and bank account size?  The best stuff uses light weight carbon-ceramic rotors and is probably over $10K if you can find something that fits.  I also was told that the carbon-ceramic rotors do not have nearly the heat capacity of a heavy iron rotor, so you need to do something to help dissipate the heat before it cooks the wheel bearing.

 

I worked with a local shop to adapt Porsche 996 Turbo calipers and ran into all kinds of issues I did not anticipate.  It all worked out well, but not easily.  I think there are advantages to adapting a street car system if you can, because there will be a lot of pad options and parts to maintain the calipers.  But you may be forced to 18 inch wheels to clear the rotors because that seems the minimum for current super cars.  Looks like the Wilwood carbon-ceramic rotor kits use 14 inch rotors which probably require 18 inch wheels.

 

Ken
  

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From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
To: detomaso at poca.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Competion Brakes


  Dear Forum,



                            I ran the Pantera at TWS.  I have twenty +
  year old Pantera Performance Center brakes, namely, the "NASCAR" set up
  IIRC.  Six piston calipers in the front and four piston in the rear.



                            IF I was keen to go back to the track and IF I
  wanted the current "state of the art" brake system.......THEN what are
  the best regarded competition rotors and calipers with quick change
  pads currently??



                                                Curious,  Chuck Engles

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   Dear Ken,


                  ......since I am not racing for money, I think the brake
   budget is a lower than the stratosphere of exotic brake materials...but
   your comments are well taken.


                  I recall your Porsche brake project.  I am surprised
   that given your engineering skills and automotive enthusiasm that the
   Turbo brakes were unexpectedly problematic.  If you had it to do all
   over, then would you still go Porsche Turbo or would you opt for an
   aftermarket street/track brake system??


                               Warmest regards, Chuck Engles



   From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:24 PM
   To: Charles Engles; detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Competion Brakes


   Seems like the answer depends on wheel and bank account size?  The best
   stuff uses light weight carbon-ceramic rotors and is probably over $10K
   if you can find something that fits.  I also was told that the
   carbon-ceramic rotors do not have nearly the heat capacity of a heavy
   iron rotor, so you need to do something to help dissipate the heat
   before it cooks the wheel bearing.


   I worked with a local shop to adapt Porsche 996 Turbo calipers and ran
   into all kinds of issues I did not anticipate.  It all worked out well,
   but not easily.  I think there are advantages to adapting a street car
   system if you can, because there will be a lot of pad options and parts
   to maintain the calipers.  But you may be forced to 18 inch wheels to
   clear the rotors because that seems the minimum for current super
   cars.  Looks like the Wilwood carbon-ceramic rotor kits use 14 inch
   rotors which probably require 18 inch wheels.


   Ken
   _______________________________________________________________________

   From: Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
   To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 12:02 PM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Competion Brakes

     Dear Forum,
                               I ran the Pantera at TWS.  I have twenty +
     year old Pantera Performance Center brakes, namely, the "NASCAR" set
   up
     IIRC.  Six piston calipers in the front and four piston in the rear.
                               IF I was keen to go back to the track and
   IF I
     wanted the current "state of the art" brake system.......THEN what
   are
     the best regarded competition rotors and calipers with quick change
     pads currently??
                                                   Curious,  Chuck Engles
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