[DeTomaso] Marvic Wheels to remake Campagnola 10x15 ready fordeposits
Patrick HALS
patrickhals at gmail.com
Mon Oct 26 13:33:54 EDT 2015
Yes, it's exactly what I said, Marvic !
But it 's better than GT5 as the rears are 14x15 like factory GR4 wheels,
and larger than 13. But they can keep the same tires if need be.
It fills the wheel arches much better. Direct bolt on .
There is just one new set of two rears at Marvic's, color to be chosen (
silber or gold )
Patrick Hals
+32.476.567.898
2015-10-26 18:25 GMT+01:00 Mike Gilmore <mgilmore11 at mchsi.com>:
> Hi! Is anyone reproducing the GT-5, 15x10 and 15x13 wheels? Thanks! Best
> regards, mike gilmore, 1984, GT-5
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick HALS
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: detomaso at poca.com ; Brian Dudley
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheels to remake Campagnola 10x15 ready
> fordeposits
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Well, this is an interesting point you raise there !
> It is just the difference between a " copy " and a "fake". Let me please
> explain with some examples.
> Look for instance, at the red GR5 Pantera in the USA that had a gearbox
> problem last week end in racing, and was helped by Michael Shortt ( see it
> on FB ) . The car claims to be VIN 2862 ( like Candy ) Well, to be simple
> and straightforward, this is a fake car, as it claims to be the original
> factory car. I wouldn't say anything if they had the old GR5 design from
> 1976 , ( like they do ) and carry their real original VIN ( 6227ex Tino
> Pereira ) like they don't . But luckily, they are not even smart ! One,
> have you ever seen a factory GR4 Pantera ( or a street Pantera ) with a VIN
> stamped on the right side of the front hood, and second, did you notice
> that they have reproduced the same mistake they had made in the past at
> the DT museum in 2004, when re-stamping the fake VIN on a fake GR4 , and
> now on the rebodied GR5. These guys are counterfeiters, and they deserve
> just our contempt. Just like the guys who make fake Rolex, fake Hermès,
> fake Gucci and so on ( or fake Viagra LOL ) Counterfeit name, lowest
> quality.
> For Marvic, they don't claim they make " an original Campagnolo wheel, made
> for DT" They make a Marvic wheel which is a faithful copy of the old
> original wheel, but they don't intend to mislead people .They act openly,
> and not as dishonest ones or counterfeiters.
> I bet the Marvic logo is or will be , like on new GR4 wheels, stamped
> INSIDE the wheel , to avoid ANY confusion.
> The same point was raised when we decided to produce Group 4 wheels , to
> replace the original 42 years old Candy wheels ( and others like on 2873).
> The new Gr4 wheels carry no reference to DT or Campagnolo.
> I assume the same motivation guided Marvic to apply the same method with
> the 10 inch wheels.
> Despite the fact that both DT and Campagnolo have long gone bankrupt, who
> knows if someone hasn't bought the rights to the names ( for DT, it is
> this, sadly, unknown Hong Kong company, for Campi, I don't know, but Marvic
> sure does )
> As a lawyer, and also if I was Marvic's owner-director, I would not take
> any chance to get a lawsuit from any person , company , inheritant of the
> names or design, claiming Marvic made a fake wheel. And "a fortiori " if
> only 5 or 10 sets are manufactured.
> I must state that I am very happy to have found a company that accepted to
> faithfully reproduce those old wheels, even in such a small quantity. .
> This is , I guess, the reason why they don't stamp DT or Campagnolo on the
> wheels
> The other foundries I had been in contact with in the past, had asked me
> for a minimum of 25 full sets ( 100 wheels ) + a significant deposit to
> start building the molds. Nothing like that with Marvic, they took the risk
> like big boys.
> About the price, the reason why it is expensive is simple : it takes three
> months or so to manufacture the mold, i.e. mold costs a fortune. Then,
> divide this price by 10 or 20 wheels, or divide it by 200 wheels, you will
> see the price drop instantly
> Finally, I must also stress that I feel much much better with new wheels on
> Candy when I am in the Mulsanne straight at Le Mans Classic or in
> Blanchimont in Spa , strolling at a gentle 180+ mph. And so is my family
> :>)) At this speed , if anything breaks, you instantly become a very lonely
> passenger between the steel barriers and the trees and time becomes endless
> .... Boy I hate this idea
> Best !
> Pat
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brian Dudley <bd8134 at gmail.com>
> Date: 2015-10-26 5:00 GMT+01:00
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheels to remake Campagnola 10x15 ready for
> deposits
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
> Cc: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>, detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> I am sure the construction of the Marvic wheels is very good and the
> duplication of the design looks excellent.
> The problem I see is that in the final mould they removed the Detomaso and
> Campagnola markings. These markings were clearly shown in drawings that Ed
> had sent out in his earlier emails. Though in the latest email from Ed, the
> pictures of the molds did not show any writing.
> I sent an email to Marvic and Silvia responded that the writing is not
> present, he sent a picture of the first raw wheel, added.
> I wanted wheels that would duplicate my original 10" wheels, and sadly the
> Marvic wheels do not.
>
> The Roin wheel does have Detomaso but no Campagnola.
>
> Maybe you or Ed can convince them to add the writing in.
> Silvia said the unit price of the 10"x15" wheel is Euro 1,555 ~ $1,700 +
> shipping.
> He said he can powder coat or leave them with just primer.
>
> All the best
> Brian
>
> Patrick Hals
> +32.476.567.898
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yes, it's exactly what I said, Marvic !A
But it 's better than GT5 as the rears are 14x15 like factory GR4
wheels, and larger than 13. But they can keep the same tires if need
be.
It fills the wheel arches much better. Direct bolt on .
There is just one new set of two rears at Marvic's, color to be chosen
( silber or gold )A
Patrick Hals
+32.476.567.898
2015-10-26 18:25 GMT+01:00 Mike Gilmore <[1]mgilmore11 at mchsi.com>:
Hi! Is anyone reproducing the GT-5, 15x10 and 15x13 wheels? Thanks!
Best regards, mike gilmore, 1984, GT-5
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick HALS
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:21 PM
To: [2]detomaso at poca.com ; Brian Dudley
Subject: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheels to remake Campagnola 10x15 ready
fordeposits
Hi Brian,
Well, this is an interesting point you raise there !
It is just the difference between a " copy " and a "fake". Let me
please
explain with some examples.
Look for instance, at the red GR5 Pantera in the USA that had a
gearbox
problem last week end in racing, and was helped by Michael Shortt (
see it
on FB ) . The car claims to be VIN 2862 ( like Candy ) Well, to be
simple
and straightforward, this is a fake car, as it claims to be the
original
factory car. I wouldn't say anything if they had the old GR5 design
from
1976 , ( like they do ) and carry their real original VIN ( 6227ex
Tino
Pereira ) like they don't . But luckily, they are not even smart !
One,
have you ever seen a factory GR4 Pantera ( or a street Pantera )
with a VIN
stamped on the right side of the front hood, and second, did you
notice
that they have reproduced the same mistake they had made in the
pastA at
the DT museum in 2004, when re-stamping the fake VIN on a fake GR4 ,
and
now on the rebodied GR5. These guys are counterfeiters, and they
deserve
just our contempt. Just like the guys who make fake Rolex, fake
HermA"s,
fake Gucci and so on ( or fake Viagra LOL ) Counterfeit name, lowest
quality.
For Marvic, they don't claim they make " an original Campagnolo
wheel, made
for DT" They make a Marvic wheel which is a faithful copy of the old
original wheel, but they don't intend to mislead people .They act
openly,
and not as dishonest ones or counterfeiters.
I bet the Marvic logo is or will be , like on new GR4 wheels,
stamped
INSIDE the wheel , to avoid ANY confusion.
The same point was raised when we decided to produce Group 4 wheels
, to
replace the original 42 years old Candy wheels ( and others like on
2873).
The new Gr4 wheels carry no reference to DT or Campagnolo.
I assume the same motivation guided Marvic to apply the same method
with
the 10 inch wheels.
Despite the fact that both DT and Campagnolo have long gone
bankrupt, who
knows if someone hasn't bought the rights to the names ( for DT, it
is
this, sadly, unknown Hong Kong company, for Campi, I don't know, but
Marvic
sure does )
As a lawyer, and also if I was Marvic's owner-director, I would not
take
any chance to get a lawsuit from any person , company , inheritant
of the
names or design, claiming Marvic made a fake wheel. And "a fortiori
" if
only 5 or 10 sets are manufactured.
I must state that I am very happy to have found a company that
accepted to
faithfully reproduce those old wheels, even in such a small
quantity. .
This is , I guess, the reason why they don't stamp DT or Campagnolo
on the
wheels
The other foundries I had been in contact with in the past, had
asked me
for a minimum of 25 full sets ( 100 wheels ) + a significant deposit
to
start building the molds. Nothing like that with Marvic, they took
the risk
like big boys.
About the price, the reason why it is expensive is simple : it takes
three
months or so to manufacture the mold, i.e. mold costs a fortune.
Then,
divide this price by 10 or 20 wheels, or divide it by 200 wheels,
you will
see the price drop instantly
Finally, I must also stress that I feel much much better with new
wheels on
Candy when I am in the Mulsanne straight at Le Mans Classic or in
Blanchimont in Spa , strolling at a gentle 180+ mph. And so is my
family
:>)) At this speed , if anything breaks, you instantly become a very
lonely
passenger between the steel barriers and the trees and time becomes
endless
.... Boy I hate this idea
Best !
Pat
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brian Dudley <[3]bd8134 at gmail.com>
Date: 2015-10-26 5:00 GMT+01:00
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Marvic Wheels to remake Campagnola 10x15
ready for
deposits
To: Charles Engles <[4]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: Patrick HALS <[5]patrickhals at gmail.com>, detomaso
<[6]detomaso at poca.com>
Hi Pat,
I am sure the construction of the Marvic wheels is very good and the
duplication of the design looks excellent.
The problem I see is that in the final mould they removed the
Detomaso and
Campagnola markings. These markings were clearly shown in drawings
that Ed
had sent out in his earlier emails. Though in the latest email from
Ed, the
pictures of the molds did not show any writing.
I sent an email to Marvic and Silvia responded that the writing is
not
present, he sent a picture of the first raw wheel, added.
I wanted wheels that would duplicate my original 10" wheels, and
sadly the
Marvic wheels do not.
The Roin wheel does have Detomaso but no Campagnola.
Maybe you or Ed can convince them to add the writing in.
Silvia said the unit price of the 10"x15" wheel is Euro 1,555A ~
$1,700 +
shipping.
He said he can powder coat or leave them with just primer.
All the best
Brian
Patrick Hals
[7]+32.476.567.898
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