[DeTomaso] IR FI system

Wed Oct 21 18:41:31 EDT 2015

Hi,

I did talk to their technical guy; it is actually a company based in Australia.
My understanding is that they somehow use Procomp name or sales network to sale their parts in US.

Anyway, down to the actual part, I am wondering how big is the risk?
According to the tech guy in Australia the 351C manifold is made to fit 2V heads and would have enough material to port it to fit 4v or my Yates C3 heads.

Although 351C version is $200 more than 351W system I would go with 351C as it is already split to fit onto 9.2 deck and also it looks like a nicer intake casting with longer, smoother channels. 
Other nice point is that this intake apparently fits Webber IDA bolt pattern, so, down the road one could change throttle bodies to ones that Readline makes or TWM ones.

The only throttle body size they offer at the moment is 50mm; would this be adequate for 416ci engine that made 675Hp at 6500rpm on engine dyno with Holley 850 carburetor on single plane high intake.
What would be suggested injectors; looking at what Holley recommends in their systems it seems that something between 48# and 66# would be good choice?

I will keep you updated in case I get this system.

Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Cullen McCann [mailto:cmccann1972 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:58 AM
To: Daniel C Jones
Cc: POCA list
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] IR FI system

I was also looking at the same system for the 351W. The price is very appealing, considering that most other downdraft EFI systems are 3500 bucks plus management. I know you "get what you pay for" but its hard not to try it, and the risk seems.. "low" in a way. I certainly wouldn't keep from buying it simply because "anything that cheap must be a piece of junk". its not ALWAYS true.

The 351C system shown in your link is 1365.00.  Consider the 351W system on ebay, distributed by speedmaster is less than 1100.00. But obviously the vertical stacks might require cutting the deck. I like it when they stick out of the deck, rain and all. Super sex appeal, even if they do run like crap.

here is a link:
351W speedmaster system on ebay
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-351W-Windsor-Down-Draft-EFI-Stack-Intake-Manifold-System-Complete-Satin-/201449143138?hash=item2ee74dfb62:g:uncAAOSw14xWHvjZ&vxp=mtr>

or this one if that doesn't work:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-351W-Windsor-Down-Draft-EFI-Stack-Intake-Manifold-System-Complete-Satin-/201449143138?hash=item2ee74dfb62:g:uncAAOSw14xWHvjZ&vxp=mtr

Also, I know most people don't care or believe the ebay system holds any "merit" or credibility for customer confidence, but in a way, I disagree.
Speedmaster currently has 99.6% positive feedback on ebay with over 53 THOUSAND transactions. that means... specifically, that 53,600 people bought something from them on eBay and had positive things to say.

That being said.... I'm sure they might be giving their "feedback" before installing the system or something...but contrary to what some people think, you cannot "fake" the feedback rating on ebay. If you could, I would have done it by now. Either people are positive about your sales reputation or they aren't. period. (I've been a power seller on ebay for 15 years....and this isn't a scam) EBay's customer service sucks.... no doubt about it, but the transaction feedback rating system is real and it works like its supposed to.

In closing, I put 100 percent confidence into what Dan says about his experience dyno tuning procomp products. I have a family member who build street rods and he says the same thing. He also says that it depends on what you buy. They are hit and miss. Some parts seem to work great but some are cheap and dont perform or install as expected. But Ill be honest... Id be willing to try it if I thought I could save 4 grand or something and have that sexy system. Maybe your motor makes 500 horse instead of 550...and you saved 4 grand. Maybe you pick a different management system and keep the speedmaster hardware. Its just a matter of weighing options and your budget, IMO.

I'll be buying one of the Windsor systems in the next year or so...I'll let you know if I get anywhere with it.

Cullen

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>    > I realize it comes without ECU and injectors, but looks really nice
>    and seems very well priced.
>    Speedmaster is the company formerly known as Procomp.A  Procomp earned
>    such a bad reputation they had to rename the company.A  We dyno tested
>    the Procomp copy of the CHI Cleveland heads and they were 50 HP down on
>    a 351C to the real CHI heads and 20 HP down to the OEM cast iron
>    Cleveland heads.
>    Dan Jones
>
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