[DeTomaso] Pictures

[MikeLDrew at aol.com]

In a message dated 10/12/15 14 19 3, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:


> I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines. 
> 
> (snip)
> 
Only the Pantera Si came with the 5.0 motor.   BTW, I recently learned that 
'Si' stands for 'Scintilla incendiare', which means 'spark ignition'.


> >I suppose that motor might be a 351W lighting
> motor?
> 
>>>No, it's a 5.0 engine.


> > I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the last
> few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0 motor
> with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0 mustang with
> that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put me in
> the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done right 
> and
> arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.
> 
>>>My understanding is that the Si Panteras received bog-standard 5.0 
Mustang engines with nothing special about them.   I know absolutely nothing 
about those engines so would have to defer to you when you identify performance 
parts there; I suppose it's always possible that De Tomaso was buying 
over-the-counter crate performance engines from Ford, which may have differed from 
the standard production Mustang engines.   You'd have to consult a late 80s 
SVO catalog to be sure.

> >Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine? 
> Didn't
> think so.
> 
>>>Oh yes, quite a few late Panteras were 351W equipped, when the supply of 
Australian 351Cs dried up.   They were weak as a kitten--bog-standard truck 
engines sourced from the USA.   Colin Bradshaw (who is a lurker here) 
bought his '89 Pantera new from the factory, and paid extra to have a hotted-up 
version.   When it finally blew up many years later and he took it apart, he 
discovered that De Tomaso had taken his money but delivered a standard 
engine--DOH!   Real Steel outside London then built him a kick-ass aluminum head 
351W and that car is now all that it should have been to begin with.
> 
> >I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular rear
> subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual 
> modification.
> 
>>>It's not.   The Si chassis shares absolutely nothing with the earlier 
Panteras--it's a clean-sheet design, with completely different construction 
techniques
> 
> >Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?
> 
>>>The last cars got Getrag six-speed gearboxes (sourced from an Audi 
application, I believe).
> 
> >Interesting!!!!!
> 
>>>Yes, for sure!

Mike
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   In a message dated 10/12/15 14 19 3, cmccann1972 at gmail.com writes:

     I recall reading the last few cars received 5.0 engines.
     (snip)

   Only the Pantera Si came with the 5.0 motor.  BTW, I recently learned
   that 'Si' stands for 'Scintilla incendiare', which means 'spark
   ignition'.

     >I suppose that motor might be a 351W lighting
     motor?

   >>>No, it's a 5.0 engine.

     > I just thought I read they were all either Clevelands or the last
     few were 5.0's. Hard to tell but that certainly looks like a 302/5.0
     motor
     with the lower deck height. For what its worth, Ive had a 5.0
     mustang with
     that same intake, healthy cam and heads make over 400 horse and put
     me in
     the mid-low 12's in the quarter. They can be very healthy if done
     right and
     arguably lighter. But they do seems tiny in that engine bay.

   >>>My understanding is that the Si Panteras received bog-standard 5.0
   Mustang engines with nothing special about them.  I know absolutely
   nothing about those engines so would have to defer to you when you
   identify performance parts there; I suppose it's always possible that
   De Tomaso was buying over-the-counter crate performance engines from
   Ford, which may have differed from the standard production Mustang
   engines.  You'd have to consult a late 80s SVO catalog to be sure.

     >Did any factory equipped pantera ever receive a 351Windsor engine?
     Didn't
     think so.

   >>>Oh yes, quite a few late Panteras were 351W equipped, when the
   supply of Australian 351Cs dried up.  They were weak as a
   kitten--bog-standard truck engines sourced from the USA.  Colin
   Bradshaw (who is a lurker here) bought his '89 Pantera new from the
   factory, and paid extra to have a hotted-up version.  When it finally
   blew up many years later and he took it apart, he discovered that De
   Tomaso had taken his money but delivered a standard engine--DOH!  Real
   Steel outside London then built him a kick-ass aluminum head 351W and
   that car is now all that it should have been to begin with.

     >I have never seen an SI up close. Do all of them have the tubular
     rear
     subframes like that? Unexpected. Looks more like an individual
     modification.

   >>>It's not.  The Si chassis shares absolutely nothing with the earlier
   Panteras--it's a clean-sheet design, with completely different
   construction techniques

     >Transaxle looks different too. Is it a different generation of ZF?

   >>>The last cars got Getrag six-speed gearboxes (sourced from an Audi
   application, I believe).

     >Interesting!!!!!

   >>>Yes, for sure!
   Mike