[DeTomaso] Techno question: a fine mess--update II

John Taphorn jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com
Sun Oct 11 21:55:34 EDT 2015


Sloppy writing by me.  I agree with Will's suggestion that......

JT

On 10/11/2015 8:53 PM, John Taphorn wrote:
> I second Will's doubt of the balancer and suggestion that you check 
> the carb gasket or other possible vacuum leak.
>
> JT
>
> On 10/11/2015 1:05 PM, Will Kooiman wrote:
>> I don¹t see how a balancer could cause a howling or a squeal.
>>
>> I had a weird squeal once, and it turned out to be the carburetor 
>> gasket.
>> There was a leak under the carburetor, and the gasket was vibrating 
>> like a
>> reed in a flute. It sounded like it was coming from the timing chain.  I
>> tore the front of the engine apart, changed the timing chain, belts, 
>> fuel
>> pump, etc.  I didn¹t find the problem until I was feeling around 
>> under the
>> carburetor while the engine was running.  I could feel the gasket
>> vibrating, and if I touched it, the sound stopped.
>>
>> What was the last thing changed before the sound started?
>>
>> On 10/11/15, 1:03 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
>> <detomaso-bounces at poca.com on behalf of asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    I'm not liking where this is going. I'd remove the balancer and run
>>>    it.  You might get a little oil splash past the seal but I honestly
>>>    don't see how it could be the balancer.  I'm beginning to fear 
>>> its more
>>>    dastardly, like a main or rod bearing or thrust bearing on the cam.
>>>    Trouble is I don't think you can get the balancer off.
>>>    Asa
>>>    Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>>>
>>>    Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>>    Dear Bill and Asa, et al,
>>>               Test drive without the AC belt still showed noise.   
>>> While
>>>    the engine was still warm, I removed the alternator belt. To my
>>>    surprise, the chirpy noise is still there.  The garden hose 
>>> stethoscope
>>>    seemed to show that it was maximal within the bowl of the crank
>>>    pulley.   Hmmm???  No noise from the oil pan nor water pump
>>>    (obviously).
>>>               Next, I removed the crank pulley and the noise is still
>>>    chirping away.   I checked again that the balancer isn't hitting
>>>    anything on its backside and a wire hanger feeler shows nothing 
>>> between
>>>    the back of the balancer and the front cover or oil pan.
>>>               Next, I could only imagine that I had somehow not 
>>> torque the
>>>    balancer bolt well and that it was loose.  Sorry, it is tight and 
>>> I am
>>>    sure that it has a dose of anti seize and the correct torque.
>>>               The balancer is a BHJ and is about nine years old with 
>>> about
>>>    10k miles.  It looks good.  It was recently out and reinstalled last
>>>    year before the Houston Rally.  No noise was noticed until 
>>> afterwards
>>>    while driving "normally" in town, etc.   Sounded like a belt, but it
>>>    isn't all belt noise.
>>>               I suppose the next step would be to loosen the balancer
>>>    bolt, again apply a touch of antiseize if it looks like it needs 
>>> it and
>>>    then retorque.
>>>                         Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>    From: bill gaino [mailto:gaino at earthlink.net]
>>>    Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:09 AM
>>>    To: Charles Engles
>>>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: a fine mess--update
>>>    Charles, I went thhrough this with a corvette it turned out to be a
>>>    loose harmonic balancer bolt. Big one that goes in the end of crank.
>>>    Bill 1362
>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/slickpaintcom/129049637149634?ref=ts&fre
>>>    f=ts
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>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>    >From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>>>    >Sent: Oct 10, 2015 9:30 PM
>>>    >To: detomaso at poca.com
>>>    >Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: a fine mess--update
>>>    >
>>>    >Dear Forum,
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >           It is still a fine mess.  The gremlins are well
>>>    entrenched.
>>>    >At this point, I have:
>>>    >
>>>    >1) ascertained that the balancer isn't hitting the block or pan
>>>    >
>>>    >2) been unable to localize precisely the noise source despite the
>>>    >mechanic's stethoscope or the garden hose stethoscope (it actually
>>>    >works a little better in this instance, but still not a 
>>> success).  It
>>>    >is coming from the front of the engine-belt area.
>>>    >
>>>    >3) replaced the alternator: no change and now the ammeter needle
>>>    >bounces
>>>    >
>>>    >4) ascertained that I do have an electronic voltage regulator from
>>>    >Motorcraft
>>>    >
>>>    >5) replaced both belts: no change other than  a slight decrease in
>>>    >loudness and slightly different quality to the noise
>>>    >
>>>    >6) replaced the idler pulley:  no change. Sigh.   The old pulley 
>>> does
>>>    feel
>>>    >like the bearing is starting to go out compared to the 
>>> smoothness of
>>>    >the replacement, but still no noise silencing with the change.
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >        I am perturbed.  I have removed the new AC belt and I will
>>>    test
>>>    >again tomorrow to see if I have finally localized the noise 
>>> maker.  I
>>>    >am thinking about trying some of the belt treatments for squeaking
>>>    >since I have replaced *everything* at this point.
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >        With apologies to Mr. Friedman's famous quote: " Sadder,
>>>    older,
>>>    >wiser, I go now, seeking through faith and reason combined  the 
>>> answer
>>>    >to this baffling pageant which is the Pantera and the small by 
>>> play,
>>>    >which is my amateur wrenching."
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >                  Philosophically yours,  Chuck Engles
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >
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