[DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
B Hower
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Fri Oct 2 01:43:33 EDT 2015
I believe that restrictor plate should be installed to depth that its flange edge in flush with block surface. That is how install them.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
I have question about installing the brass restrictor plate.
Is there a desired depth it should be down from the flange?
Besides the top hat reducing the hole in the plate when hot, does the
outer body of the thermostat bell make contact with the plate?
Joe/NC
From: Timothy Meyer [mailto:fordmachinist at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 17:44 PM
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Cc: detomaso at poca.com; 'Mike Thomas'; 'Cullen McCann'; 'Larry Finch'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Brand did not matter to me,
I just saw that it was missing the top hat.
That's cool if it works for you!!
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
If by Not Correct, you mean it's not a Robert Shaw, you are correct.
It is the same design as Ford used. Part # D5UZ-8575-A
I've run this same style since 1975 in my 1970 Mustang Mach One 351C-4V
and I have one in my Pantera. with substantially (2x more) power and I
truly struggle to reach 180-190 even in Savannah Georgia in the
summertime.
Use for works for you,
Michael
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[8]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
Here is a drawing of the RS333
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
According to your picture, it does not look correct.
Unless I can't see it, I don't see the "Hat"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Here it is.
On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <[18]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
(and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost plus
shipping.
Michael
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer
<[19]fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
We have used a Carquest part# 30089
Not hard to find at all.
Here's a picture of that thermostat
[20]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the
explanations!
Mike Thomas
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the ebay
ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the 351c
are not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is
talking about the same thing?
Cullen
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
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> wrote:
> Something not yet noted in this thread....
>
> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the `hat') ... high
flow
> ... thermostat.
>
> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>
> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct for
> the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>
> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw 333
> stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>
> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>
> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330 series
RS
> stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series) to which he
> installs a machined `hat', thus creating a 333 series stat correct
for
> the Cleveland. On eBay.
>
> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side, not
> so much
>
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I believe that restrictor plate should be installed to depth that its
flange edge in flush with block surface. That is how install them.
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
! )
__________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: 'Timothy Meyer' <fordmachinist at gmail.com>; 'Michael Shortt'
<michaelsavga at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at poca.com; 'Mike Thomas' <mbefthomas at comcast.net>; 'Larry
Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
I have question about installing the brass restrictor plate.
Is there a desired depth it should be down from the flange?
Besides the top hat reducing the hole in the plate when hot, does
the
outer body of the thermostat bell make contact with the plate?
Joe/NC
From: Timothy Meyer [mailto:[1]fordmachinist at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 17:44 PM
To: 'Michael Shortt'; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
Cc: [2]detomaso at poca.com; 'Mike Thomas'; 'Cullen McCann'; 'Larry
Finch'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Brand did not matter to me,
I just saw that it was missing the top hat.
That's cool if it works for you!!
email sig
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
If by Not Correct, you mean it's not a Robert Shaw, you are correct.
It is the same design as Ford used. Part # D5UZ-8575-A
I've run this same style since 1975 in my 1970 Mustang Mach One
351C-4V
and I have one in my Pantera. with substantially (2x more) power and
I
truly struggle to reach 180-190 even in Savannah Georgia in the
summertime.
Use for works for you,
Michael
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[8][10]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
Here is a drawing of the RS333
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
According to your picture, it does not look correct.
Unless I can't see it, I don't see the "Hat"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Here it is.
On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt"
<[18][20]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
(and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost plus
shipping.
Michael
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer
<[19][21]fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
We have used a Carquest part# 30089
Not hard to find at all.
Here's a picture of that thermostat
[20][22]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
Tim Meyer
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the
explanations!
Mike Thomas
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the
ebay
ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the
351c
are not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is
talking about the same thing?
Cullen
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[31][33]detomaso at poca.com
> wrote:
> Something not yet noted in this thread....
>
> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the `hat') ... high
flow
> ... thermostat.
>
> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>
> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct
for
> the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>
> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw
333
> stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>
> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>
> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330 series
RS
> stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series) to which
he
> installs a machined `hat', thus creating a 333 series stat correct
for
> the Cleveland. On eBay.
>
> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side,
not
> so much
>
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