[DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Thu Oct 1 18:02:52 EDT 2015
I have spent the last 20 minutes looking at 4 different designs for a 351C
thermostat.
who knew?
Like I said, this one works for me, your situation may be different.
I avoid stop and go traffic whenever I can ( mainly because the beast is
just too much engine for heavy traffic
and I do need the clutch reduction kit )
it cruises at 170-180 and last summer I actually taped a part of the grill
( a la NASCAR )
to keep temps up to 180-190 to see if my gas mileage would be any different
( it's wasn't )
In two weeks I will be driving up to Spartanburg, SC ( 4-5 hours ) to show
at Eurofest at the BMW factory
and I'll report on temps again.
The biggest help for my car was having the radiator ( Hall 5 core brass
laydown ) hot tanked and then using my
cooling mixture ( same as for light aircraft ) 33% not 50%.
2.2-2.4 gallons of distilled water ( not city water full of lime, etc. )
1 gallon of 100% Peak antifreeze
1 16 oz bottle of water wetter
and of course burping the car properly after changing the mix.
Michael
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Brand did not matter to me,
>
> I just saw that it was missing the top hat.
>
> That’s cool if it works for you!!
>
>
>
> [image: email sig]
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Shortt [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:32 PM
> *To:* Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> *Cc:* Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com>; detomaso at poca.com; Mike
> Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>; Cullen McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>;
> Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
>
>
> If by Not Correct, you mean it's not a Robert Shaw, you are correct.
>
> It is the same design as Ford used. Part # D5UZ-8575-A
>
>
>
> I've run this same style since 1975 in my 1970 Mustang Mach One 351C-4V
>
> and I have one in my Pantera. with substantially (2x more) power and I
>
> truly struggle to reach 180-190 even in Savannah Georgia in the summertime.
>
>
>
> Use for works for you,
>
>
>
> Michael
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> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Here is a drawing of the RS333
>
>
>
> *From:* Timothy Meyer [mailto:fordmachinist at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 16:54 PM
> *To:* 'Michael Shortt'
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; 'Mike Thomas'; 'Cullen McCann'; 'Larry Finch';
> 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
> *Subject:* RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
>
>
> According to your picture, it does not look correct.
>
> Unless I can’t see it, I don’t see the “Hat”
>
>
>
> [image: email sig]
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Shortt [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
> <michaelsavga at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:38 PM
> *To:* Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* detomaso at poca.com; Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>; Cullen
> McCann <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>;
> Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
>
>
> Here it is.
>
> On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, once they get here
>
> (and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost plus
> shipping.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
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>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer <fordmachinist at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We have used a Carquest part# 30089
> Not hard to find at all.
> Here's a picture of that thermostat
>
> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
>
>
> Tim Meyer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike Thomas
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:02 PM
> To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann' <
> cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
> Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the explanations!
> Mike Thomas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F.
> Byrd, Jr.
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
> To: 'Cullen McCann' <cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <
> fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at poca.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
> The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left This
> is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Cullen
> McCann
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
> To: Larry Finch
> Cc: DeTomaso Forum
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
>
> Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the ebay
> ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the 351c are
> not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is talking
> about the same thing?
> Cullen
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at poca.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Something not yet noted in this thread….
> >
> > The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ‘hat’) … high flow
> > … thermostat.
> >
> > This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
> >
> > The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct for
> > the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
> >
> > That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw 333
> > stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
> >
> > Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
> >
> > CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330 series RS
> > stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series) to which he
> > installs a machined ‘hat’, thus creating a 333 series stat correct for
> > the Cleveland. On eBay.
> >
> > Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side, not
> > so much
> >
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I have spent the last 20 minutes looking at 4 different designs for a
351C thermostat.
who knew?
Like I said, this one works for me, your situation may be different.
I avoid stop and go traffic whenever I can ( mainly because the beast
is just too much engine for heavy traffic
and I do need the clutch reduction kit )
it cruises at 170-180 and last summer I actually taped a part of the
grill ( a la NASCAR )
to keep temps up to 180-190 to see if my gas mileage would be any
different ( it's wasn't )
In two weeks I will be driving up to Spartanburg, SC ( 4-5 hours ) to
show at Eurofest at the BMW factory
and I'll report on temps again.
The biggest help for my car was having the radiator ( Hall 5 core brass
laydown ) hot tanked and then using my
cooling mixture ( same as for light aircraft ) A 33% not 50%.
2.2-2.4 gallons of distilled water ( not city water full of lime, etc.
)
1 gallon of 100% Peak antifreeze
1 16 oz bottle of water wetter
and of course burping the car properly after changing the mix.
Michael
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Timothy Meyer
<[1]fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
Brand did not matter to me,
I just saw that it was missing the top hat.
Thatas cool if it works for you!!
A
email sig
A
From: Michael Shortt [mailto:[2]michaelsavga at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:32 PM
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Cc: Timothy Meyer <[4]fordmachinist at gmail.com>; [5]detomaso at poca.com;
Mike Thomas <[6]mbefthomas at comcast.net>; Cullen McCann
<[7]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; Larry Finch <[8]fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
A
If by Not Correct, you mean it's not a Robert Shaw, you are correct.
It is the same design as Ford used. Part # D5UZ-8575-A
A
I've run this same style since 1975 in my 1970 Mustang Mach One 351C-4V
and I have one in my Pantera. with substantially (2x more) power and I
truly struggle to reach 180-190 even in Savannah Georgia in the
summertime.
A
Use for works for you,
A
Michael
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[9]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
Here is a drawing of the RS333
A
From: Timothy Meyer [mailto:[10]fordmachinist at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 16:54 PM
To: 'Michael Shortt'
Cc: [11]detomaso at poca.com; 'Mike Thomas'; 'Cullen McCann'; 'Larry
Finch'; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
A
According to your picture, it does not look correct.
Unless I canat see it, I donat see the aHata
A
email sig
A
From: Michael Shortt [[12]mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 3:38 PM
To: Timothy Meyer <[13]fordmachinist at gmail.com>
Cc: [14]detomaso at poca.com; Mike Thomas <[15]mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
Cullen McCann <[16]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; Larry Finch
<[17]fresnofinches at aol.com>; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
<[18]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
A
Here it is.
On Sep 28, 2015 5:40 PM, "Michael Shortt" <[19]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
wrote:
I allegedly have 6 coming on Friday from Indiana, A once they get here
(and they are real), anybody that wants one can have it at cost plus
shipping.
A
Michael
A
A
A
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Timothy Meyer
<[20]fordmachinist at gmail.com> wrote:
We have used a Carquest part# 30089
Not hard to find at all.
Here's a picture of that thermostat
[21]https://www.pinterest.com/pin/338825571938266513/
Tim Meyer
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[22]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Thomas
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:02 PM
To: 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.' <[23]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Cullen McCann'
<[24]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch' <[25]fresnofinches at aol.com>
Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <[26]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you finally for a visual to go along with all of the
explanations!
Mike Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[27]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 3:44 PM
To: 'Cullen McCann' <[28]cmccann1972 at gmail.com>; 'Larry Finch'
<[29]fresnofinches at aol.com>
Cc: 'DeTomaso Forum' <[30]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
The "hat" is the copper piece and the plate is the thing on the left
This is a Marlin Jack -----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[31]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Cullen McCann
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 18:29 PM
To: Larry Finch
Cc: DeTomaso Forum
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera THERMOSTATS??
Thank you all for the education. The one thing worth noting on the ebay
ad, is that the seller says the "special plates" required for the 351c
are not included. he doesn't use the term hats, but I suspect he is
talking about the same thing?
Cullen
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<[32]detomaso at poca.com
> wrote:
> Something not yet noted in this threada|.
>
> The Robert Shaw 333 series is a Cleveland (with the ahata) a| high
flow
> a| thermostat.
>
> This is, I believe, the style originally used by Ford.
>
> The readily available thermostats at the parts houses are correct for
> the Cleveland, but they are not the high flow design.
>
> That feature is what drives the high interest in the Robert Shaw 333
> stats, not that they are the only fish in the sea.
>
> Just the only OEM style. And no longer made.
>
> CA owner Marlin Jack, a skilled machinist, is buying the 330 series
RS
> stats (with the same high flow design as the 333 series) to which he
> installs a machined ahata, thus creating a 333 series stat correct
for
> the Cleveland. On eBay.
>
> Larry - two parts houses stats - left side high flow, right side, not
> so much
>
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