[DeTomaso] Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed, part 2

[Mikael]

Rob, sorry if my mail was unclear, but the Park part is about the wipers going back to horizontal to park even when the Low or Hi is cut. Nothing to do with lights.

 

Mvh/Regards

Mikael

Hass Consult ApS

+45 31770747

Mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk

 

Fra: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net] 
Sendt: 24. november 2015 20:58
Til: Mikael
Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed, part 2

 

The delay switch may be more complicated than that. If OFF provides parking current, maybe it is a reverse relay that disengages when it has power, thus OFF would turn off the parking relay, otherwise, parking lights would be on.  Doing that makes it not necessary to run power to the parking lights for both the parking and headlight modes. As long as the switch is not OFF, the parking lights work..

 

Do the headlights turn off when the key is turned off but the parking lights stay on?  This would indicate the parking lights are powered ignition un switched but the headlights are ignition switched. 

 

The delay wire may provide the bridge between both parking and headlights. If a reverse relay would ensure power does not go to a timer unless the ignition is off, the timer could control relays for the headlight and parking lights. You could even incorporate the power that is only on if the light switch is in the off position to only run the timer if the lights are not already on.

 

Only a wiring diagram will tell you the full story as to how the switch is supposed to be hooked up though..




Rob 

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:

   First, thanks to the many that chimed in so far, and sent material. And
   I've learned more about relays, Lucas wiper motors and DIN norms etc in
   the last day that I ever wanted to...


   And with no success. Why? Well the Lincoln slider on the stalk has 4
   positions: Off-Delay-Low-High. You (or at least I) would then expect
   the switch to work so that each position except Off gave power to a
   separate wire and that off would give no power, and that the important
   Park current would be there all the time when ignition was on. But the
   Lincoln switch is made differently. Lo and Hi are as expected. But Off
   provides the Parking current and Delay provides nothing at all. So the
   Delay switch/knob in a Lincoln must be autonomous.


   The result for me is that:

   .         Lo and Hi work as expected

   .         Delay, if I turn the knob on the Bosch delay I get the wipers
   doing 1/3 of a trip across the windshield, and then one more third etc.
   Entertaining to look at, like the French movie Traffic. In other words,
   there's not Park current available

   .         Off, here I can use the Bosch delay and only here. Well, off
   should be off!

   So I can get it all to work, but not in the logical fashion. I'd like
   the Delay on the stalk to automatically use the delay setting on the
   Bosch delay switch, and then I would only have to use one switch.
   Currently in varying rain I have use both hands to switch from delay to
   Lo or to Off. I know, the world has seen bigger problems, but still...


   If you've read this far, you probably have a Longchamp or a Deauville.
   To test my theory, here's a question for you:

   .         If you have a Longchamp/Deauville new enough to have the
   wiper switch on the stalk, not the rocker switch on a dash, AND you
   have the Bosch turn-a-knob delay, AND your wipers DO NOT behave like I
   described above, please let me know how your wipers behave in each
   position. Beware, I may ask you to tell me how the wires behind your
   Bosch delay switch are placed and what color...


   Did I mention I use this Longchamp for cross-Europe trips, not just for
   Sunday driving? When you drive in rain on German highways for hours and
   hours, you notice these things.


   Thanks


   Mvh/Regards

   Mikael


   Fra: Mikael [mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk]
   Sendt: 23. november 2015 09:12
   Til: detomaso at poca.com
   Emne: Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed


   All you Ford fans out there, can you help?


   I need to know the coloring of the wires for my Longchamp wiper
   contact, which is part of the flasher stalk on the steering column.
   IIRC the Longchamp (and Deauville) steering column is Lincoln MkIII.
   The stalk has a slider with Off-Delay-Low-High. I also have a Bosch
   delay thingy, and I believe that's been wired incorrectly from the
   start...


   So does anybody know where I can find a Lincoln wiring diagram? I tried
   Google, no luck, so now I try POCA! J


   Mvh/Regards

   Mikael

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   Rob, sorry if my mail was unclear, but the Park part is about the
   wipers going back to horizontal to park even when the Low or Hi is cut.
   Nothing to do with lights.


   Mvh/Regards

   Mikael

   Hass Consult ApS

   +45 31770747

   Mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk


   Fra: Rob Dumoulin [mailto:rob at dumoulins.net]
   Sendt: 24. november 2015 20:58
   Til: Mikael
   Cc: Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List
   Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed, part 2


   The delay switch may be more complicated than that. If OFF provides
   parking current, maybe it is a reverse relay that disengages when it
   has power, thus OFF would turn off the parking relay, otherwise,
   parking lights would be on.  Doing that makes it not necessary to run
   power to the parking lights for both the parking and headlight modes.
   As long as the switch is not OFF, the parking lights work..


   Do the headlights turn off when the key is turned off but the parking
   lights stay on?  This would indicate the parking lights are powered
   ignition un switched but the headlights are ignition switched.


   The delay wire may provide the bridge between both parking and
   headlights. If a reverse relay would ensure power does not go to a
   timer unless the ignition is off, the timer could control relays for
   the headlight and parking lights. You could even incorporate the power
   that is only on if the light switch is in the off position to only run
   the timer if the lights are not already on.


   Only a wiring diagram will tell you the full story as to how the switch
   is supposed to be hooked up though..

   Rob


   On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
   wrote:

      First, thanks to the many that chimed in so far, and sent material.
   And
      I've learned more about relays, Lucas wiper motors and DIN norms etc
   in
      the last day that I ever wanted to...
      And with no success. Why? Well the Lincoln slider on the stalk has 4
      positions: Off-Delay-Low-High. You (or at least I) would then expect
      the switch to work so that each position except Off gave power to a
      separate wire and that off would give no power, and that the
   important
      Park current would be there all the time when ignition was on. But
   the
      Lincoln switch is made differently. Lo and Hi are as expected. But
   Off
      provides the Parking current and Delay provides nothing at all. So
   the
      Delay switch/knob in a Lincoln must be autonomous.
      The result for me is that:
      .         Lo and Hi work as expected
      .         Delay, if I turn the knob on the Bosch delay I get the
   wipers
      doing 1/3 of a trip across the windshield, and then one more third
   etc.
      Entertaining to look at, like the French movie Traffic. In other
   words,
      there's not Park current available
      .         Off, here I can use the Bosch delay and only here. Well,
   off
      should be off!
      So I can get it all to work, but not in the logical fashion. I'd
   like
      the Delay on the stalk to automatically use the delay setting on the
      Bosch delay switch, and then I would only have to use one switch.
      Currently in varying rain I have use both hands to switch from delay
   to
      Lo or to Off. I know, the world has seen bigger problems, but
   still...
      If you've read this far, you probably have a Longchamp or a
   Deauville.
      To test my theory, here's a question for you:
      .         If you have a Longchamp/Deauville new enough to have the
      wiper switch on the stalk, not the rocker switch on a dash, AND you
      have the Bosch turn-a-knob delay, AND your wipers DO NOT behave like
   I
      described above, please let me know how your wipers behave in each
      position. Beware, I may ask you to tell me how the wires behind your
      Bosch delay switch are placed and what color...
      Did I mention I use this Longchamp for cross-Europe trips, not just
   for
      Sunday driving? When you drive in rain on German highways for hours
   and
      hours, you notice these things.
      Thanks
      Mvh/Regards
      Mikael
      Fra: Mikael [mailto:[2]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk]
      Sendt: 23. november 2015 09:12
      Til: [3]detomaso at poca.com
      Emne: Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed
      All you Ford fans out there, can you help?
      I need to know the coloring of the wires for my Longchamp wiper
      contact, which is part of the flasher stalk on the steering column.
      IIRC the Longchamp (and Deauville) steering column is Lincoln MkIII.
      The stalk has a slider with Off-Delay-Low-High. I also have a Bosch
      delay thingy, and I believe that's been wired incorrectly from the
      start...
      So does anybody know where I can find a Lincoln wiring diagram? I
   tried
      Google, no luck, so now I try POCA! J
      Mvh/Regards
      Mikael
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