[DeTomaso] Center Pad, was Re: Steering wheel values?
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Tue Nov 24 15:31:08 EST 2015
Guy,
I've never heard of a Hall replacement failing. I think Hall supplies the other vendors.
I don't know what you could do to tone down the finish. It looks like Armor All, and could stand to be flattened a bit. But I certainly wouldn't lose too much sleep over it!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:17, Guido deTomaso <guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> "Most center pads are totally shot, but the Hall replacement is pretty decent (it's a bit too shiny, but beggers can't be choosers."
>
> Curious if all the vendors sell the same one, doesn't seem like the world needs two suppliers for this, do the replacements hold up?
>
> I've got an extra wheel, thought I would drill a big washer with the Momo bolt pattern, cut the wheel off the hub and weld the big washer to it, mount a Prototipo wheel.
>
> But now think I'd be happier with a stock-appearing center pad.
>
> Thanks,
>
> GD
>
>
>
>
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To:
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Steering wheel values?
>
> All,
> Very weird--I never got any of the steering wheel messages except for
> Chuck's reply, which had the original messages embedded below it. So
> I'll cut-and-paste and respond to each in proper order. My responses
> are embedded within each of the messages below:
>
> On Nov 21, 2015 1:35 PM, "Charles McCall"
> <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > A A Has anyone sold a stock steering wheel recently or does
> anyone
> > have a
> > A A good guess as to value? The center pad is missing, and
> it came
> > off a
> > A A '72 pre-L.
> > A A There are 2 on e-bay right now in a similar condition
> with
> > asking
> > A A prices of $600 and $250. But asking prices and sale
> prices
> > areA 2
> > A A different things...
>
> >>>The two things that influence the value of a stock wheel are the
> condition of the rim, and the center pad. Most center pads are totally
> shot, but the Hall replacement is pretty decent (it's a bit too shiny,
> but beggers can't be choosers).
> A stock wheel with no pad that is otherwise in excellent condition is
> just this side of completely worthless. I have been given three of
> them for free over the years, and have given one of them away to
> somebody who wanted to cut it apart for an experiment.
> The guys on E-bay are dreaming if they think somebody is going to pay
> anything significant (or anything at all) for a stock wheel missing the
> crucial center pad.
> On Nov 21, 2015 4:32 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> > I gave mine away years ago to somebody on this list. If they sold
> it
> > for $600, somebody owes me at least bottle of good bourbon.
> >>>HAHAHA!!! Don't sweat it--you got exactly what it was worth when
> you gave it away for free. :>)
>
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael
> Shortt
> >Having recently sold a bunch of nos parts, of all the people I
> talked to,
> literally over 150, not a single request for original (Capri)
> steering
> wheel. The center pad is prone to basically falling apart, early
> plastic
> formula I guess, it dries out, warps and falls apart.
>
> >>>Yes, no matter whether it was on a car or inside a box, if it's
> original, likely it's junk by now.
>
> >Now if you had an early 2 spoke wheel with the Ghia logo, you could
> almost
> name a stupid price and get it.
> Personally, they are four spaces to the left of ugly to me and
> cheapen the
> look of the interior of the car.
>
> >>>I presume you're referring to the Capri wheel again, and not the
> two-spoke Ferrero wheel?
>
> >Now having said that, if I had a bone stock, concours worthy car,
> I'd want
> it and would pray nightly to find a NOS pad section.
>
> >>>IF it was in good condition, yes. And in the meantime you'd run the
> Hall unit and likely be satisfied. I just installed one of those on an
> otherwise-original car a few weeks ago. It fit well and appeared to be
> good quality.
> >From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
> F.
> Byrd, Jr.
> My experience with center pad.
> I put the steering wheel with a good pad in non temperature controlled
> storage in the mid 1980's. the pad "look" good when I lifted the wheel
> out
> of the box a couple years ago, BUT when I grabbed the pad it completely
> disintegrated! I mean there was no piece bigger than 00 shot on the
> floor.
> >>>Yup. It's amazing how they can appear to be in fine shape, but if
> you even lightly push or prod on them, they just shatter. People just
> didn't know as much about manufacturing plastics back then as they do
> now.
> (Having said that, if you ever spent any time inside a Ferrari 355, you
> will have learned that they didn't know squat either, and all the
> switches and interior bits have literally turned to slimy goo...)
> In a message dated 11/21/15 5:45:49 PM, cengles at cox.net writes:
> Yes, that was my experience with my two Pantera L wheels in
>
> the late eighties-early nineties. That is the bad news. That vinyl
> plastic
> formula does not tolerate exposure to air for very long.
> That being the case, IIRC one of our Scandinavian
> owners had a
> clever way to, umm, improve the remaining steering wheel with a
> relatively
> simple modification that concealed the unaesthetic central hub of
> the
> steering wheel. Anybody else recall that with more clarity than I
> do?
> >>>The car I was working on a few weeks ago had the center pad
> removed, and the three spokes were wrapped with some sort of
> shrink-wrap material, with a large wheel center logo in the middle.
>
> It was vile....
> Mike
>
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Guy,
I've never heard of a Hall replacement failing. I think Hall supplies
the other vendors.
I don't know what you could do to tone down the finish. It looks like
Armor All, and could stand to be flattened a bit. But I certainly
wouldn't lose too much sleep over it!
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:17, Guido deTomaso
<[1]guido_detomaso at prodigy.net> wrote:
"Most center pads are totally shot, but the Hall replacement is pretty
decent (it's a bit too shiny, but beggers can't be choosers."
Curious if all the vendors sell the same one, doesn't seem like the
world needs two suppliers for this, do the replacements hold up?
I've got an extra wheel, thought I would drill a big washer with the
Momo bolt pattern, cut the wheel off the hub and weld the big washer to
it, mount a Prototipo wheel.
But now think I'd be happier with a stock-appearing center pad.
Thanks,
GD
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
To:
Cc: [3]detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Steering wheel values?
All,
Very weird--I never got any of the steering wheel messages except for
Chuck's reply, which had the original messages embedded below it. So
I'll cut-and-paste and respond to each in proper order. My responses
are embedded within each of the messages below:
On Nov 21, 2015 1:35 PM, "Charles McCall"
<[1][4]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A Has anyone sold a stock steering wheel recently or does
anyone
> have a
> A A good guess as to value? The center pad is missing, and
it came
> off a
> A A '72 pre-L.
> A A There are 2 on e-bay right now in a similar condition
with
> asking
> A A prices of $600 and $250. But asking prices and sale
prices
> areA 2
> A A different things...
>>>The two things that influence the value of a stock wheel are the
condition of the rim, and the center pad. Most center pads are
totally
shot, but the Hall replacement is pretty decent (it's a bit too
shiny,
but beggers can't be choosers).
A stock wheel with no pad that is otherwise in excellent condition is
just this side of completely worthless. I have been given three of
them for free over the years, and have given one of them away to
somebody who wanted to cut it apart for an experiment.
The guys on E-bay are dreaming if they think somebody is going to pay
anything significant (or anything at all) for a stock wheel missing
the
crucial center pad.
On Nov 21, 2015 4:32 PM, "Rob Dumoulin" <[5]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
> I gave mine away years ago to somebody on this list. If they
sold
it
> for $600, somebody owes me at least bottle of good bourbon.
>>>HAHAHA!!! Don't sweat it--you got exactly what it was worth when
you gave it away for free. :>)
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
Shortt
>Having recently sold a bunch of nos parts, of all the people I
talked to,
literally over 150, not a single request for original (Capri)
steering
wheel. The center pad is prone to basically falling apart, early
plastic
formula I guess, it dries out, warps and falls apart.
>>>Yes, no matter whether it was on a car or inside a box, if it's
original, likely it's junk by now.
>Now if you had an early 2 spoke wheel with the Ghia logo, you
could
almost
name a stupid price and get it.
Personally, they are four spaces to the left of ugly to me and
cheapen the
look of the interior of the car.
>>>I presume you're referring to the Capri wheel again, and not the
two-spoke Ferrero wheel?
>Now having said that, if I had a bone stock, concours worthy car,
I'd want
it and would pray nightly to find a NOS pad section.
>>>IF it was in good condition, yes. And in the meantime you'd run
the
Hall unit and likely be satisfied. I just installed one of those on
an
otherwise-original car a few weeks ago. It fit well and appeared to
be
good quality.
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph
F.
Byrd, Jr.
My experience with center pad.
I put the steering wheel with a good pad in non temperature
controlled
storage in the mid 1980's. the pad "look" good when I lifted the
wheel
out
of the box a couple years ago, BUT when I grabbed the pad it
completely
disintegrated! I mean there was no piece bigger than 00 shot on the
floor.
>>>Yup. It's amazing how they can appear to be in fine shape, but if
you even lightly push or prod on them, they just shatter. People
just
didn't know as much about manufacturing plastics back then as they do
now.
(Having said that, if you ever spent any time inside a Ferrari 355,
you
will have learned that they didn't know squat either, and all the
switches and interior bits have literally turned to slimy goo...)
In a message dated 11/21/15 5:45:49 PM, [8]cengles at cox.net writes:
Yes, that was my experience with my two Pantera L wheels in
the late eighties-early nineties. That is the bad news. That
vinyl
plastic
formula does not tolerate exposure to air for very long.
That being the case, IIRC one of our Scandinavian
owners had a
clever way to, umm, improve the remaining steering wheel with a
relatively
simple modification that concealed the unaesthetic central hub of
the
steering wheel. Anybody else recall that with more clarity than I
do?
>>>The car I was working on a few weeks ago had the center pad
removed, and the three spokes were wrapped with some sort of
shrink-wrap material, with a large wheel center logo in the middle.
It was vile....
Mike
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