[DeTomaso] Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed, part 2
Rob Dumoulin
rob at dumoulins.net
Tue Nov 24 14:58:12 EST 2015
The delay switch may be more complicated than that. If OFF provides parking
current, maybe it is a reverse relay that disengages when it has power,
thus OFF would turn off the parking relay, otherwise, parking lights would
be on. Doing that makes it not necessary to run power to the parking
lights for both the parking and headlight modes. As long as the switch is
not OFF, the parking lights work..
Do the headlights turn off when the key is turned off but the parking
lights stay on? This would indicate the parking lights are powered
ignition un switched but the headlights are ignition switched.
The delay wire may provide the bridge between both parking and headlights.
If a reverse relay would ensure power does not go to a timer unless the
ignition is off, the timer could control relays for the headlight and
parking lights. You could even incorporate the power that is only on if the
light switch is in the off position to only run the timer if the lights are
not already on.
Only a wiring diagram will tell you the full story as to how the switch is
supposed to be hooked up though..
Rob
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Mikael <mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> First, thanks to the many that chimed in so far, and sent material. And
> I've learned more about relays, Lucas wiper motors and DIN norms etc in
> the last day that I ever wanted to...
>
>
> And with no success. Why? Well the Lincoln slider on the stalk has 4
> positions: Off-Delay-Low-High. You (or at least I) would then expect
> the switch to work so that each position except Off gave power to a
> separate wire and that off would give no power, and that the important
> Park current would be there all the time when ignition was on. But the
> Lincoln switch is made differently. Lo and Hi are as expected. But Off
> provides the Parking current and Delay provides nothing at all. So the
> Delay switch/knob in a Lincoln must be autonomous.
>
>
> The result for me is that:
>
> . Lo and Hi work as expected
>
> . Delay, if I turn the knob on the Bosch delay I get the wipers
> doing 1/3 of a trip across the windshield, and then one more third etc.
> Entertaining to look at, like the French movie Traffic. In other words,
> there's not Park current available
>
> . Off, here I can use the Bosch delay and only here. Well, off
> should be off!
>
> So I can get it all to work, but not in the logical fashion. I'd like
> the Delay on the stalk to automatically use the delay setting on the
> Bosch delay switch, and then I would only have to use one switch.
> Currently in varying rain I have use both hands to switch from delay to
> Lo or to Off. I know, the world has seen bigger problems, but still...
>
>
> If you've read this far, you probably have a Longchamp or a Deauville.
> To test my theory, here's a question for you:
>
> . If you have a Longchamp/Deauville new enough to have the
> wiper switch on the stalk, not the rocker switch on a dash, AND you
> have the Bosch turn-a-knob delay, AND your wipers DO NOT behave like I
> described above, please let me know how your wipers behave in each
> position. Beware, I may ask you to tell me how the wires behind your
> Bosch delay switch are placed and what color...
>
>
> Did I mention I use this Longchamp for cross-Europe trips, not just for
> Sunday driving? When you drive in rain on German highways for hours and
> hours, you notice these things.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Mvh/Regards
>
> Mikael
>
>
> Fra: Mikael [mailto:mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk]
> Sendt: 23. november 2015 09:12
> Til: detomaso at poca.com
> Emne: Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed
>
>
> All you Ford fans out there, can you help?
>
>
> I need to know the coloring of the wires for my Longchamp wiper
> contact, which is part of the flasher stalk on the steering column.
> IIRC the Longchamp (and Deauville) steering column is Lincoln MkIII.
> The stalk has a slider with Off-Delay-Low-High. I also have a Bosch
> delay thingy, and I believe that's been wired incorrectly from the
> start...
>
>
> So does anybody know where I can find a Lincoln wiring diagram? I tried
> Google, no luck, so now I try POCA! J
>
>
> Mvh/Regards
>
> Mikael
>
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The delay switch may be more complicated than that. If OFF provides
parking current, maybe it is a reverse relay that disengages when it
has power, thus OFF would turn off the parking relay, otherwise,
parking lights would be on.A Doing that makes it not necessary to run
power to the parking lights for both the parking and headlight modes.
As long as the switch is not OFF, the parking lights work..
Do the headlights turn off when the key is turned off but the parking
lights stay on?A This would indicate the parking lights are powered
ignition un switched but the headlights are ignition switched.A
The delay wire may provide the bridge between both parking and
headlights. If a reverse relay would ensure power does not go to a
timer unless the ignition is off, the timer could control relays for
the headlight and parking lights. You could even incorporate the power
that is only on if the light switch is in the off position to only run
the timer if the lights are not already on.
Only a wiring diagram will tell you the full story as to how the switch
is supposed to be hooked up though..
RobA
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Mikael <[1]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk>
wrote:
A A First, thanks to the many that chimed in so far, and sent
material. And
A A I've learned more about relays, Lucas wiper motors and DIN
norms etc in
A A the last day that I ever wanted to...
A A And with no success. Why? Well the Lincoln slider on the stalk
has 4
A A positions: Off-Delay-Low-High. You (or at least I) would then
expect
A A the switch to work so that each position except Off gave power
to a
A A separate wire and that off would give no power, and that the
important
A A Park current would be there all the time when ignition was on.
But the
A A Lincoln switch is made differently. Lo and Hi are as expected.
But Off
A A provides the Parking current and Delay provides nothing at all.
So the
A A Delay switch/knob in a Lincoln must be autonomous.
A A The result for me is that:
A A .A A A A A Lo and Hi work as expected
A A .A A A A A Delay, if I turn the knob on the Bosch delay I
get the wipers
A A doing 1/3 of a trip across the windshield, and then one more
third etc.
A A Entertaining to look at, like the French movie Traffic. In
other words,
A A there's not Park current available
A A .A A A A A Off, here I can use the Bosch delay and only
here. Well, off
A A should be off!
A A So I can get it all to work, but not in the logical fashion.
I'd like
A A the Delay on the stalk to automatically use the delay setting
on the
A A Bosch delay switch, and then I would only have to use one
switch.
A A Currently in varying rain I have use both hands to switch from
delay to
A A Lo or to Off. I know, the world has seen bigger problems, but
still...
A A If you've read this far, you probably have a Longchamp or a
Deauville.
A A To test my theory, here's a question for you:
A A .A A A A A If you have a Longchamp/Deauville new enough to
have the
A A wiper switch on the stalk, not the rocker switch on a dash, AND
you
A A have the Bosch turn-a-knob delay, AND your wipers DO NOT behave
like I
A A described above, please let me know how your wipers behave in
each
A A position. Beware, I may ask you to tell me how the wires behind
your
A A Bosch delay switch are placed and what color...
A A Did I mention I use this Longchamp for cross-Europe trips, not
just for
A A Sunday driving? When you drive in rain on German highways for
hours and
A A hours, you notice these things.
A A Thanks
A A Mvh/Regards
A A Mikael
A A Fra: Mikael [mailto:[2]mikael_hass at mail.tele.dk]
A A Sendt: 23. november 2015 09:12
A A Til: [3]detomaso at poca.com
A A Emne: Longchamp/Lincoln wiring help needed
A A All you Ford fans out there, can you help?
A A I need to know the coloring of the wires for my Longchamp wiper
A A contact, which is part of the flasher stalk on the steering
column.
A A IIRC the Longchamp (and Deauville) steering column is Lincoln
MkIII.
A A The stalk has a slider with Off-Delay-Low-High. I also have a
Bosch
A A delay thingy, and I believe that's been wired incorrectly from
the
A A start...
A A So does anybody know where I can find a Lincoln wiring diagram?
I tried
A A Google, no luck, so now I try POCA! J
A A Mvh/Regards
A A Mikael
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