[DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
Brian Dudley
bd8134 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 22 22:41:21 EST 2015
A good compression test should result in only about 15% difference between
cylinders.
What you have is not good.
You really should run this test with the engine at operating temp.
All rockers need to in.
All spark plugs need to be out and the battery be charged or real healthy
as crank speed will effect the readings.
Leave a charged attached during the test is a good idea.
You only need to crank each cylinder 5 or 6 times.
Note the reading at each revolution, the first revolution will be highest.
For the lowest cylinders, pour in ~ 1 tablespoon of oil, turn the engine
over 2 revs or so to distribute the oil.
Run another compression test on that one cylinder.
If that results in a much higher reading, the rings / bore / piston is bad.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:42 PM, sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Compression test shows
> 1= 160
> 2= 120
> 3= 200
> 4= couldnt get the comp tester in the spark plug hole. Too tight with
> the coolant tank in the way.
> On 5-8 I was hooking up the comp tester and getting really bad
> readings but I didn't have the rockers arms installed
> and I think that is necessary. Not sure if the readings I did get show
> a piston ring problem or a valve leak.
> I will do a leak down test next when I pick up a tester.
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:00:21 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com
> CC: ehpantera at yahoo.com; mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
> The air is probably leaking past the rings, which have a designed in
> gap. With the valves closed, the cylinder is NOT a hermetically sealed
> container.
> Asa Jay
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> sean mundy <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I tried pumping air into 7 and 8 spark plug holes and both I can hear
> air leaking. I have all my rockers removed on that side so all the
> valves should be closed. I've tried a few different types of gaskets
> but buying the CHI specific ones seemed to be the best approach. They
> fit perfect so I hoped my valve seals were the problem especially since
> there is a lot of blue smoke on startup after the car has been sitting
> awhile. I re torqued the heads thinking the air leak could only be
> either the valves or a leaking head gasket. I have no signs of coolant
> in my oil. Maybe I have multiple problems ?
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:52:12 +0000
> From: ehpantera at yahoo.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; mikeldrew at aol.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
> I just buy a roll of gasket material and cut my own. Never any leaks
> and easy to do.Mark
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 7:30 PM, sean mundy
> <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Mike. That explains a possible oil leak being sucked in
> via a leak but that wouldn't account for me hearing air leaking
> when pumping air into the cylinder with both valves closed? I have
> CHI heads and CHI intake and I'm using their specific intake gasket
> set. I don't think the stock gasket is going to match up all that
> well. > CC: detomaso at poca.com > From: MikeLDrew at aol.com >
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking > Date: Fri, 20 Nov
> 2015 16:12:19 -0800 > To: seanmundy at hotmail.com > > Sean, > >
> This is a VERY common problem. Your intake manifold gasket has failed
> and is leaking on the bottom edge, allowing oil to be sucked from the
> valley under the intake into one or more cylinders. > > Many people
> have made the mistake of using Fel-Pro 'Print-o-seal' intake gaskets.
> These things are notorious for failing; so much so that you can find
> numerous references to them on Internet forums for all sorts of cars,
> where they are commonly called 'Print-o-leak' gaskets! > > I happen
> to favor the stock-style valley pan gasket, Fel pro MS96012. If you
> follow the installation instructions to the letter, these seal fine
> with the added advantage of cooling the underside of the intake by
> shielding it from oil splash. > > There is a story with photos
> about this chronic problem in a recent PCNC newsletter; you can read
> it by accessing the website at www.panteraclubnorcal.com > > I've
> helped repair two local cars with this problem in the past few months
> and know of a third that is awaiting repair.... > > Mike > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2015, at 15:42, sean mundy
> <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > After a long hiatus, I am back
> working on my Pantera. Latest issue is > > the engine is burning
> oil at about a quart every 300 miles. > > My spark plugs don't look
> horrible but something is going on. I re > > torqued the cylinder
> heads and intake manifold and made sure my pc > > valve was working.
> I looked at my intake valves with an > > inspection camera and there
> is a lot of carbon buildup but I only have > > about 2k miles on
> the new aluminum heads. I thought my valve seals may > > be leaking
> so I started removing the rockers on one side and tried to > >
> replace the Teflon valve seals on #8cyl with new Comp Cam Viton
> seals. > > I connected compressed air to the #8 spark plug hole to
> hold the valve > > up so I could remove the spring. I don't think
> you are supposed to > > but I can hear air leaking from somewhere
> inside the engine. It seems > > like I can feel a little air coming
> out of the top of the intake > > manifold with my carb removed. I
> can't trace the air leak. > > Need some tips on what steps I should
> take at this point. Thanks, Sean > >
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> I tried pumping air into 7 and 8 spark plug holes and both I can
> hear
> air leaking. I have all my rockers removed on that side so all the
> valves should be closed. I've tried a few different types of
> gaskets
> but buying the CHI specific ones seemed to be the best approach.
> They
> fit perfect so I hoped my valve seals were the problem especially
> since
> there is a lot of blue smoke on startup after the car has been
> sitting awhile. I re torqued the heads thinking the air leak could
> only be either the valves or a leaking head gasket. I have no signs
> of coolant in my oil. Maybe I have multiple problems ?
> __________________________________________________________________
> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:52:12 +0000
> From: ehpantera at yahoo.com
> To: seanmundy at hotmail.com; mikeldrew at aol.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
> I just buy a roll of gasket material and cut my own. Never any leaks
> and easy to do.
> Mark
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 7:30 PM, sean mundy
> <seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Mike. That explains a possible oil leak being sucked in
> via
> a leak but that wouldn't account for me hearing air leaking when
> pumping air into the cylinder with both valves closed? I have CHI
> heads and CHI intake and I'm using their specific intake gasket
> set.
> I
> don't think the stock gasket is going to match up all that well.
> > CC: [1]detomaso at poca.com
> > From: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:12:19 -0800
> > To: [3]seanmundy at hotmail.com
> >
> > Sean,
> >
> > This is a VERY common problem. Your intake manifold gasket has
> failed
> and is leaking on the bottom edge, allowing oil to be sucked from
> the
> valley under the intake into one or more cylinders.
> >
> > Many people have made the mistake of using Fel-Pro
> 'Print-o-seal'
> intake gaskets. These things are notorious for failing; so much so
> that
> you can find numerous references to them on Internet forums for
> all
> sorts of cars, where they are commonly called 'Print-o-leak'
> gaskets!
> >
> > I happen to favor the stock-style valley pan gasket, Fel pro
> MS96012.
> If you follow the installation instructions to the letter, these
> seal
> fine with the added advantage of cooling the underside of the
> intake
> by
> shielding it from oil splash.
> >
> > There is a story with photos about this chronic problem in a
> recent
> PCNC newsletter; you can read it by accessing the website at
> www.panteraclubnorcal.com
> >
> > I've helped repair two local cars with this problem in the past
> few
> months and know of a third that is awaiting repair....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2015, at 15:42, sean mundy <[4]seanmundy at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > After a long hiatus, I am back working on my Pantera. Latest
> issue
> is
> > > the engine is burning oil at about a quart every 300 miles.
> > > My spark plugs don't look horrible but something is going on.
> I
> re
> > > torqued the cylinder heads and intake manifold and made sure
> my
> pc
> > > valve was working. I looked at my intake valves with an
> > > inspection camera and there is a lot of carbon buildup but I
> only
> have
> > > about 2k miles on the new aluminum heads. I thought my valve
> seals
> may
> > > be leaking so I started removing the rockers on one side and
> tried
> to
> > > replace the Teflon valve seals on #8cyl with new Comp Cam
> Viton
> seals.
> > > I connected compressed air to the #8 spark plug hole to hold
> the
> valve
> > > up so I could remove the spring. I don't think you are
> supposed
> to
> > > but I can hear air leaking from somewhere inside the engine.
> It
> seems
> > > like I can feel a little air coming out of the top of the
> intake
> > > manifold with my carb removed. I can't trace the air leak.
> > > Need some tips on what steps I should take at this point.
> Thanks,
> Sean
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A good compression test should result in only about 15% difference
between cylinders.
What you have is not good.
You really should run this test with the engine at operating temp.
All rockers need to in.
All spark plugs need to be out and the battery be charged or real
healthy as crank speed will effect the readings.
Leave a charged attached during the test is a good idea.
You only need to crank each cylinder 5 or 6 times.
Note the reading at each revolution, the first revolution will be
highest.
For the lowest cylinders, pour in ~ 1 tablespoon of oil, turn the
engine over 2 revs or so to distribute the oil.
Run another compression test on that one cylinder.
If that results in a much higher reading, the rings / bore / piston is
bad.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 7:42 PM, sean mundy <[1]seanmundy at hotmail.com>
wrote:
A A Compression test shows
A A 1= 160
A A 2= 120
A A 3= 200
A A 4= couldnt get the comp tester in the spark plug hole.A Too
tight with
A A the coolant tank in the way.
A A On 5-8A I was hooking up the comp tester and getting really
bad
A A readings but I didn't have the rockers arms installed
A A and I think that is necessary.A Not sure if the readings I did
get show
A A a piston ring problem or a valve leak.
A A I will do a leak down test next when I pick up a tester.
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:00:21 -0800
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
A A From: [2]asajay at asajay.com
A A To: [3]seanmundy at hotmail.com
A A CC: [4]ehpantera at yahoo.com; [5]mikeldrew at aol.com;
[6]detomaso at poca.com
A A The air is probably leaking past the rings, which have a
designed in
A A gap.A With the valves closed, the cylinder is NOT a
hermetically sealed
A A container.
A A AsaA Jay
A A Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
A A sean mundy <[7]seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A I tried pumping air into 7 and 8 spark plug holes and both I
can hear
A A air leaking.A I have all my rockers removed on that side so
all the
A A valves should be closed.A I've tried a few different types of
gaskets
A A but buying the CHI specific ones seemed to be the best
approach.A They
A A fit perfect so I hoped my valve seals were the problem
especially since
A A there is a lot of blue smoke on startup after the car has been
sitting
A A awhile.A I re torqued the heads thinking the air leak could
only be
A A either the valves or a leaking head gasket.A I have no signs
of coolant
A A in my oil.A Maybe I have multiple problems ?
A A Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:52:12 +0000
A A From: [8]ehpantera at yahoo.com
A A To: [9]seanmundy at hotmail.com; [10]mikeldrew at aol.com
A A CC: [11]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
A A I just buy a roll of gasket material and cut my own. Never any
leaks
A A and easy to do.Mark
A A A A On Friday, November 20, 2015 7:30 PM, sean mundy
A A <[12]seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A A Thank you Mike.A That explains a possible oil leak being
sucked in
A A viaA A a leak but that wouldn't account for me hearing air
leaking
A A whenA A pumping air into the cylinder with both valves
closed?A A I have
A A CHIA A heads and CHI intake and I'm using their specific
intake gasket
A A set. IA A don't think the stock gasket is going to match up
all that
A A well.A A > CC: [13]detomaso at poca.comA A > From:
[14]MikeLDrew at aol.comA A >
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leakingA A > Date: Fri,
20 Nov
A A 2015 16:12:19 -0800A A > To: [15]seanmundy at hotmail.comA A >A
A > Sean,A A >A A >
A A This is a VERY common problem. Your intake manifold gasket has
failed
A A and is leaking on the bottom edge, allowing oil to be sucked
from the
A A valley under the intake into one or more cylinders.A A >A A >
Many people
A A have made the mistake of using Fel-Pro 'Print-o-seal'A
A intake gaskets.
A A These things are notorious for failing; so much so thatA A you
can find
A A numerous references to them on Internet forums for allA
A sorts of cars,
A A where they are commonly called 'Print-o-leak' gaskets!A A >A
A > I happen
A A to favor the stock-style valley pan gasket, Fel pro MS96012.A
A If you
A A follow the installation instructions to the letter, these
sealA A fine
A A with the added advantage of cooling the underside of the intake
by
A A shielding it from oil splash.A A >A A > There is a story with
photos
A A about this chronic problem in a recentA A PCNC newsletter; you
can read
A A it by accessing the website atA
A [16]www.panteraclubnorcal.comA A >A A > I've
A A helped repair two local cars with this problem in the past
fewA A months
A A and know of a third that is awaiting repair....A A >A A >
MikeA A >A A >
A A >A A > Sent from my iPhoneA A >A A > On Nov 20, 2015, at
15:42, sean mundy
A A <[17]seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:A A >A A > > After a long
hiatus, I am back
A A working on my Pantera. Latest issueA A isA A > > the engine
is burning
A A oil at about a quart every 300 miles.A A > > My spark plugs
don't look
A A horrible but something is going on. I reA A > > torqued the
cylinder
A A heads and intake manifold and made sure my pcA A > > valve was
working.
A A I looked at my intake valves with anA A > > inspection camera
and there
A A is a lot of carbon buildup but I onlyA A haveA A > > about 2k
miles on
A A the new aluminum heads. I thought my valve sealsA A mayA A >
> be leaking
A A so I started removing the rockers on one side and triedA
A toA A > >
A A replace the Teflon valve seals on #8cyl with new Comp Cam Viton
A A seals.A A > > I connected compressed air to the #8 spark plug
hole to
A A hold theA A valveA A > > up so I could remove the spring. I
don't think
A A you are supposed toA A > > but I can hear air leaking from
somewhere
A A inside the engine. ItA A seemsA A > > like I can feel a
little air coming
A A out of the top of the intakeA A > > manifold with my carb
removed. I
A A can't trace the air leak.A A > > Need some tips on what steps
I should
A A take at this point. Thanks,A A SeanA A > >
A A _______________________________________________A A > >A A > >
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A A A I tried pumping air into 7 and 8 spark plug holes and both
I can
A A hear
A A A air leaking.A I have all my rockers removed on that side
so all the
A A A valves should be closed.A I've tried a few different types
of
A A gaskets
A A A but buying the CHI specific ones seemed to be the best
approach.
A A They
A A A fit perfect so I hoped my valve seals were the problem
especially
A A since
A A A there is a lot of blue smoke on startup after the car has
been
A A A sitting awhile.A I re torqued the heads thinking the air
leak could
A A A only be either the valves or a leaking head gasket.A I
have no signs
A A A of coolant in my oil.A Maybe I have multiple problems ?
A A A A
__________________________________________________________________
A A A Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:52:12 +0000
A A A From: [21]ehpantera at yahoo.com
A A A To: [22]seanmundy at hotmail.com; [23]mikeldrew at aol.com
A A A CC: [24]detomaso at poca.com
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
A A A I just buy a roll of gasket material and cut my own. Never
any leaks
A A A and easy to do.
A A A Mark
A A A On Friday, November 20, 2015 7:30 PM, sean mundy
A A A <[25]seanmundy at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A A Thank you Mike.A That explains a possible oil leak
being sucked in
A A A via
A A A A a leak but that wouldn't account for me hearing air
leaking when
A A A A pumping air into the cylinder with both valves closed?A
I have CHI
A A A A heads and CHI intake and I'm using their specific intake
gasket
A A set.
A A A I
A A A A don't think the stock gasket is going to match up all
that well.
A A A A > CC: [1][26]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A > From: [2][27]MikeLDrew at aol.com
A A A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cylinder Heads leaking
A A A A > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:12:19 -0800
A A A A > To: [3][28]seanmundy at hotmail.com
A A A A >
A A A A > Sean,
A A A A >
A A A A > This is a VERY common problem. Your intake manifold
gasket has
A A A failed
A A A A and is leaking on the bottom edge, allowing oil to be
sucked from
A A the
A A A A valley under the intake into one or more cylinders.
A A A A >
A A A A > Many people have made the mistake of using Fel-Pro
A A 'Print-o-seal'
A A A A intake gaskets. These things are notorious for failing;
so much so
A A A that
A A A A you can find numerous references to them on Internet
forums for
A A all
A A A A sorts of cars, where they are commonly called
'Print-o-leak'
A A gaskets!
A A A A >
A A A A > I happen to favor the stock-style valley pan gasket,
Fel pro
A A A MS96012.
A A A A If you follow the installation instructions to the
letter, these
A A seal
A A A A fine with the added advantage of cooling the underside
of the
A A intake
A A A by
A A A A shielding it from oil splash.
A A A A >
A A A A > There is a story with photos about this chronic
problem in a
A A recent
A A A A PCNC newsletter; you can read it by accessing the
website at
A A A A [29]www.panteraclubnorcal.com
A A A A >
A A A A > I've helped repair two local cars with this problem in
the past
A A few
A A A A months and know of a third that is awaiting repair....
A A A A >
A A A A > Mike
A A A A >
A A A A >
A A A A >
A A A A > Sent from my iPhone
A A A A >
A A A A > On Nov 20, 2015, at 15:42, sean mundy
<[4][30]seanmundy at hotmail.com>
A A A wrote:
A A A A >
A A A A > > After a long hiatus, I am back working on my
Pantera. Latest
A A A issue
A A A A is
A A A A > > the engine is burning oil at about a quart every 300
miles.
A A A A > > My spark plugs don't look horrible but something is
going on.
A A I
A A A re
A A A A > > torqued the cylinder heads and intake manifold and
made sure
A A my
A A A pc
A A A A > > valve was working. I looked at my intake valves with
an
A A A A > > inspection camera and there is a lot of carbon
buildup but I
A A only
A A A A have
A A A A > > about 2k miles on the new aluminum heads. I thought
my valve
A A A seals
A A A A may
A A A A > > be leaking so I started removing the rockers on one
side and
A A A tried
A A A A to
A A A A > > replace the Teflon valve seals on #8cyl with new
Comp Cam
A A Viton
A A A A seals.
A A A A > > I connected compressed air to the #8 spark plug hole
to hold
A A the
A A A A valve
A A A A > > up so I could remove the spring. I don't think you
are
A A supposed
A A A to
A A A A > > but I can hear air leaking from somewhere inside the
engine.
A A It
A A A A seems
A A A A > > like I can feel a little air coming out of the top
of the
A A intake
A A A A > > manifold with my carb removed. I can't trace the air
leak.
A A A A > > Need some tips on what steps I should take at this
point.
A A Thanks,
A A A A Sean
A A A A > > _______________________________________________
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