[DeTomaso] Fwd: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads ... ?

Ed Mendez edducati at mac.com
Sun Nov 22 16:12:01 EST 2015


That is what I figured.

Thanks

Ed


> On 23/11/2015, at 10:11, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> Any Pantera headers will bolt right up. The hole locations on the Edelbrock heads are identical to the stock heads. 
> 
> If he has custom headers that don't fit, they wouldn't fit stock heads either. 
> 
> He needs to buy some Pantera headers....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 22, 2015, at 11:59, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's a 9.2 deck stock Cleveland with the Edelbrock 2V heads
>> 
>> Thanks Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>> 
>>> On 23/11/2015, at 05:19, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have raised
>>> exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust port in
>>> the stock location, see:
>>> A [1]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
>>> er-rpm-351c.shtml
>>> "Exhaust port location: Stock"
>>> None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars will fit
>>> the Pantera.A  Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection carries
>>> 351C-2V Pantera headers:
>>> A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>>> primaries, coated $595.00
>>> A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>>> primaries, uncoated $395.00
>>> They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.A  I ran a set
>>> on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my Pantera years
>>> ago.A  Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
>>> [2]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>>> [3]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>>> [4]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
>>> g
>>> It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V heads but
>>> it's hard to tell.A  Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V heads should
>>> bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a larger
>>> port opening.A  I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole locations but
>>> there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.A  That's more like the
>>> difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V heads.A
>>> If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but are now
>>> off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same block,
>>> something else is wrong.A  The resolution of the attached pictures is
>>> too low to tell but what sort of block is that?A  Is it aluminum?A  If
>>> it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the problem
>>> as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
>>> Dan Jones
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Hi All,
>>>   I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here in NZ are
>>>   telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock 2V
>>>   Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised from the
>>>   stock head location?A  and that they are an inch higher than
>>>   stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
>>>   I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
>>>   Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank shield on the
>>>   drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on the
>>>   passenger side.
>>>   The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his email
>>>   below.
>>>   Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
>>>   Thanks, Ed
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Dave Fleming <[6]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
>>>> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
>>>   ... ?
>>>> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
>>>> To: Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at icloud.com>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>> 
>>>> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
>>>   Pantera early last weekA  a|A  the bad news is weave hit a major
>>>   problem.A  A  I think I might need some advice from the POCA
>>>   community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
>>>   Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
>>>> 
>>>> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
>>>   ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches higher
>>>   at the outlet than the old headers.A  A Accordingly when the guys
>>>   tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already tight
>>>   spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !A  A  We can
>>>   almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the left
>>>   side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too small.
>>>> 
>>>> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
>>>   (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately trying to
>>>   find a cost effective solution.A  A  The options appear to be as
>>>   follows:
>>>> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular Edelbrock
>>>   2V Performer RPM heads installedA  -A  if so, what make/model
>>>   headers are they running ?
>>>> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
>>>   heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new flangesA
>>>   A (approx US$2,000)
>>>> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
>>>   A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
>>>> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
>>>   units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but of course
>>>   thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined PanteraA
>>>   a|
>>>> 
>>>> A  A  A
>>>   A [8]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
>>>   w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>>>   <[9]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
>>>   =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
>>>> 
>>>> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
>>>   through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that theyall bolt
>>>   straight into place.
>>>> 
>>>> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
>>>   an impasse at presentA  -A  work had ground to a halt until we can
>>>   solve this problem.A  A Can you see if any of the POCA members have
>>>   an easy solution for this problem ?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
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>>> References
>>> 
>>> 1. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
>>> 2. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>>> 3. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>>> 4. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
>>> 5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 6. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
>>> 7. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
>>> 8. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>>> 9. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
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