[DeTomaso] Fwd: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads ... ?
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Sun Nov 22 16:12:01 EST 2015
That is what I figured.
Thanks
Ed
> On 23/11/2015, at 10:11, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> Any Pantera headers will bolt right up. The hole locations on the Edelbrock heads are identical to the stock heads.
>
> If he has custom headers that don't fit, they wouldn't fit stock heads either.
>
> He needs to buy some Pantera headers....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 22, 2015, at 11:59, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> It's a 9.2 deck stock Cleveland with the Edelbrock 2V heads
>>
>> Thanks Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>>
>>> On 23/11/2015, at 05:19, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have raised
>>> exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust port in
>>> the stock location, see:
>>> A [1]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
>>> er-rpm-351c.shtml
>>> "Exhaust port location: Stock"
>>> None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars will fit
>>> the Pantera.A Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection carries
>>> 351C-2V Pantera headers:
>>> A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>>> primaries, coated $595.00
>>> A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>>> primaries, uncoated $395.00
>>> They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.A I ran a set
>>> on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my Pantera years
>>> ago.A Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
>>> [2]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>>> [3]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>>> [4]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
>>> g
>>> It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V heads but
>>> it's hard to tell.A Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V heads should
>>> bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a larger
>>> port opening.A I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole locations but
>>> there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.A That's more like the
>>> difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V heads.A
>>> If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but are now
>>> off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same block,
>>> something else is wrong.A The resolution of the attached pictures is
>>> too low to tell but what sort of block is that?A Is it aluminum?A If
>>> it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the problem
>>> as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
>>> Dan Jones
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here in NZ are
>>> telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock 2V
>>> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised from the
>>> stock head location?A and that they are an inch higher than
>>> stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
>>> I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
>>> Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank shield on the
>>> drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on the
>>> passenger side.
>>> The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his email
>>> below.
>>> Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks, Ed
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Dave Fleming <[6]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
>>>> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
>>> ... ?
>>>> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
>>>> To: Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at icloud.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
>>> Pantera early last weekA a|A the bad news is weave hit a major
>>> problem.A A I think I might need some advice from the POCA
>>> community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this issue.
>>>>
>>>> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
>>> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
>>>>
>>>> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
>>> ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches higher
>>> at the outlet than the old headers.A A Accordingly when the guys
>>> tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already tight
>>> spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !A A We can
>>> almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the left
>>> side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too small.
>>>>
>>>> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
>>> (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately trying to
>>> find a cost effective solution.A A The options appear to be as
>>> follows:
>>>> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular Edelbrock
>>> 2V Performer RPM heads installedA -A if so, what make/model
>>> headers are they running ?
>>>> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
>>> heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new flangesA
>>> A (approx US$2,000)
>>>> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
>>> A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
>>>> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
>>> units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but of course
>>> thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined PanteraA
>>> a|
>>>>
>>>> A A A
>>> A [8]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
>>> w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>>> <[9]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
>>> =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
>>>>
>>>> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
>>> through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that theyall bolt
>>> straight into place.
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
>>> an impasse at presentA -A work had ground to a halt until we can
>>> solve this problem.A A Can you see if any of the POCA members have
>>> an easy solution for this problem ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dave
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>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
>>> 2. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>>> 3. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>>> 4. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
>>> 5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>>> 6. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
>>> 7. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
>>> 8. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>>> 9. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
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