[DeTomaso] Fwd: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads ... ?
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sun Nov 22 16:11:05 EST 2015
Ed,
Any Pantera headers will bolt right up. The hole locations on the Edelbrock heads are identical to the stock heads.
If he has custom headers that don't fit, they wouldn't fit stock heads either.
He needs to buy some Pantera headers....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 22, 2015, at 11:59, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> It's a 9.2 deck stock Cleveland with the Edelbrock 2V heads
>
> Thanks Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
>> On 23/11/2015, at 05:19, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have raised
>> exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust port in
>> the stock location, see:
>> A [1]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
>> er-rpm-351c.shtml
>> "Exhaust port location: Stock"
>> None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars will fit
>> the Pantera.A Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection carries
>> 351C-2V Pantera headers:
>> A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>> primaries, coated $595.00
>> A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
>> primaries, uncoated $395.00
>> They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.A I ran a set
>> on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my Pantera years
>> ago.A Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
>> [2]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>> [3]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>> [4]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
>> g
>> It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V heads but
>> it's hard to tell.A Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V heads should
>> bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a larger
>> port opening.A I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole locations but
>> there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.A That's more like the
>> difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V heads.A
>> If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but are now
>> off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same block,
>> something else is wrong.A The resolution of the attached pictures is
>> too low to tell but what sort of block is that?A Is it aluminum?A If
>> it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the problem
>> as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
>> Dan Jones
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here in NZ are
>> telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock 2V
>> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised from the
>> stock head location?A and that they are an inch higher than
>> stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
>> I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
>> Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank shield on the
>> drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on the
>> passenger side.
>> The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his email
>> below.
>> Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks, Ed
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Dave Fleming <[6]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
>>> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
>> ... ?
>>> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
>>> To: Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at icloud.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
>> Pantera early last weekA a|A the bad news is weave hit a major
>> problem.A A I think I might need some advice from the POCA
>> community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this issue.
>>>
>>> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
>> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
>>>
>>> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
>> ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches higher
>> at the outlet than the old headers.A A Accordingly when the guys
>> tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already tight
>> spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !A A We can
>> almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the left
>> side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too small.
>>>
>>> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
>> (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately trying to
>> find a cost effective solution.A A The options appear to be as
>> follows:
>>> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular Edelbrock
>> 2V Performer RPM heads installedA -A if so, what make/model
>> headers are they running ?
>>> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
>> heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new flangesA
>> A (approx US$2,000)
>>> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
>> A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
>>> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
>> units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but of course
>> thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined PanteraA
>> a|
>>>
>>> A A A
>> A [8]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
>> w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>> <[9]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
>> =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
>>>
>>> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
>> through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that theyall bolt
>> straight into place.
>>>
>>> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
>> an impasse at presentA -A work had ground to a halt until we can
>> solve this problem.A A Can you see if any of the POCA members have
>> an easy solution for this problem ?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
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>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
>> 2. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>> 3. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
>> 4. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
>> 5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>> 6. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
>> 7. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
>> 8. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>> 9. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
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