[DeTomaso] Fwd: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads ... ?
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Sun Nov 22 14:59:48 EST 2015
It's a 9.2 deck stock Cleveland with the Edelbrock 2V heads
Thanks Dan
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> On 23/11/2015, at 05:19, Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have raised
> exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust port in
> the stock location, see:
> A [1]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
> er-rpm-351c.shtml
> "Exhaust port location: Stock"
> None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars will fit
> the Pantera.A Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection carries
> 351C-2V Pantera headers:
> A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
> primaries, coated $595.00
> A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
> primaries, uncoated $395.00
> They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.A I ran a set
> on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my Pantera years
> ago.A Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
> [2]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
> [3]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
> [4]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
> g
> It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V heads but
> it's hard to tell.A Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V heads should
> bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a larger
> port opening.A I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole locations but
> there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.A That's more like the
> difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V heads.A
> If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but are now
> off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same block,
> something else is wrong.A The resolution of the attached pictures is
> too low to tell but what sort of block is that?A Is it aluminum?A If
> it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the problem
> as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
> Dan Jones
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here in NZ are
> telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock 2V
> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised from the
> stock head location?A and that they are an inch higher than
> stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
> I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
> Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank shield on the
> drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on the
> passenger side.
> The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his email
> below.
> Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks, Ed
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Dave Fleming <[6]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
>> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
> ... ?
>> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
>> To: Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at icloud.com>
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
> Pantera early last weekA a|A the bad news is weave hit a major
> problem.A A I think I might need some advice from the POCA
> community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this issue.
>>
>> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
> Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
>>
>> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
> ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches higher
> at the outlet than the old headers.A A Accordingly when the guys
> tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already tight
> spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !A A We can
> almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the left
> side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too small.
>>
>> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
> (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately trying to
> find a cost effective solution.A A The options appear to be as
> follows:
>> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular Edelbrock
> 2V Performer RPM heads installedA -A if so, what make/model
> headers are they running ?
>> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
> heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new flangesA
> A (approx US$2,000)
>> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
> A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
>> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
> units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but of course
> thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined PanteraA
> a|
>>
>> A A A
> A [8]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
> w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
> <[9]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
> =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
>>
>> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
> through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that theyall bolt
> straight into place.
>>
>> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
> an impasse at presentA -A work had ground to a halt until we can
> solve this problem.A A Can you see if any of the POCA members have
> an easy solution for this problem ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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> References
>
> 1. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
> 2. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
> 3. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
> 4. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
> 5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 6. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
> 7. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
> 8. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
> 9. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
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