[DeTomaso] Fwd: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads ... ?
Daniel C Jones
daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 22 14:14:03 EST 2015
> I see no reason for using 2V headers
The 2V headers from Pantera Parts Connection have a smaller primary 1.75"
diameter which better matches the 1.6" diameter of the Edelbrock 2V heads.
4V headers with 2" primaries that have to collect into a 2 1/4" collector
don't make a lot of sense on 351C-2V heads from a performance standpoint.
Dan Jones
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Roland jaeckel <willibillie at live.de>
wrote:
> I see no reason for using 2V headers. Use your 4V headers with 4V gaskets
> on the Edelbrock heads. Works like a charme. I just installed a set of
> those heads on a Pantera w/o any issues.
> Roland Jaeckel
>
> Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo.
>
> > Am 22.11.2015 um 17:19 schrieb Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have raised
> > exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust port in
> > the stock location, see:
> > A [1]
> http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
> > er-rpm-351c.shtml
> > "Exhaust port location: Stock"
> > None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars will fit
> > the Pantera.A Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection carries
> > 351C-2V Pantera headers:
> > A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
> > primaries, coated $595.00
> > A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75" diameter
> > primaries, uncoated $395.00
> > They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.A I ran a set
> > on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my Pantera years
> > ago.A Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
> > [2]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
> > [3]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
> > [4]
> http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
> > g
> > It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V heads but
> > it's hard to tell.A Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V heads should
> > bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a larger
> > port opening.A I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole locations but
> > there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.A That's more like the
> > difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V heads.A
> > If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but are now
> > off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same block,
> > something else is wrong.A The resolution of the attached pictures is
> > too low to tell but what sort of block is that?A Is it aluminum?A If
> > it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the problem
> > as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
> > Dan Jones
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez <[5]edducati at mac.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here in NZ are
> > telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock 2V
> > Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised from the
> > stock head location?A and that they are an inch higher than
> > stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
> > I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
> > Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank shield on the
> > drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on the
> > passenger side.
> > The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his email
> > below.
> > Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks, Ed
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: Dave Fleming <[6]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
> >> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
> > ... ?
> >> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
> >> To: Ed Mendez <[7]edducati at icloud.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Ed,
> >>
> >> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
> > Pantera early last weekA a|A the bad news is weave hit a major
> > problem.A A I think I might need some advice from the POCA
> > community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this issue.
> >>
> >> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
> > Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
> >>
> >> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
> > ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches higher
> > at the outlet than the old headers.A A Accordingly when the guys
> > tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already tight
> > spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !A A We can
> > almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the left
> > side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too small.
> >>
> >> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
> > (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately trying to
> > find a cost effective solution.A A The options appear to be as
> > follows:
> >> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular Edelbrock
> > 2V Performer RPM heads installedA -A if so, what make/model
> > headers are they running ?
> >> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
> > heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new flangesA
> > A (approx US$2,000)
> >> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
> > A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
> >> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
> > units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but of course
> > thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined PanteraA
> > a|
> >>
> >> A A A
> > A [8]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
> > w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
> > <[9]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
> > =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
> >>
> >> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
> > through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that theyall bolt
> > straight into place.
> >>
> >> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
> > an impasse at presentA -A work had ground to a halt until we can
> > solve this problem.A A Can you see if any of the POCA members have
> > an easy solution for this problem ?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
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> > References
> >
> > 1.
> http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
> > 2. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
> > 3. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
> > 4.
> http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
> > 5. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> > 6. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
> > 7. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
> > 8.
> http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
> > 9.
> http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
> > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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> I see no reason for using 2V headers
The 2V headers from Pantera Parts Connection have a smaller primary
1.75" diameter which better matches the 1.6" diameter of the Edelbrock
2V heads.A 4V headers with 2" primaries that have to collect into a 2
1/4" collector don't make a lot of sense on 351C-2V heads from a
performance standpoint.A
Dan Jones
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Roland jaeckel
<[1]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
I see no reason for using 2V headers. Use your 4V headers with 4V
gaskets on the Edelbrock heads. Works like a charme. I just
installed a set of those heads on a Pantera w/o any issues.
Roland Jaeckel
Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo.
> Am 22.11.2015 um 17:19 schrieb Daniel C Jones
<[2]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>:
>
>A A Some of the other cylinder head manufacturers like TFS have
raised
>A A exhaust ports but the Edelbrock 351C-2V heads have the exhaust
port in
>A A the stock location, see:
>A A A
[1][3]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/per
form
>A A er-rpm-351c.shtml
>A A "Exhaust port location: Stock"
>A A None of the Cleveland headers designed for front engined cars
will fit
>A A the Pantera.AA Larry Stock at the Pantera Parts Connection
carries
>A A 351C-2V Pantera headers:
>A A A Part Number 10026P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75"
diameter
>A A primaries, coated $595.00
>A A A Part Number 10025P Headers, PPC 351C-2V 4 tube with 1.75"
diameter
>A A primaries, uncoated $395.00
>A A They are made by Hedman and available only through Larry.AA I
ran a set
>A A on a 351C with Australian closed chamber 2V heads in my
Pantera years
>A A ago.AA Some blurry pictures are on Mike Dailey's website:
>A
A [2][4]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jp
g
>A
A [3][5]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%2
02.jpg
>A
A [4][6]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%2
0%201.jp
>A A g
>A A It looks like the flange on the headers pictured are for 4V
heads but
>A A it's hard to tell.AA Pantera headers designed for 351C-4V
heads should
>A A bolt up and seal against the Edelbrock heads but will have a
larger
>A A port opening.AA I've not measured 2V and 4V bolt hole
locations but
>A A there's no way there is an 1 1/2" difference.AA That's more
like the
>A A difference between Ford Motorsport high port heads and 2V/4V
heads.A
>A A If those headers worked on a previous 351C in that Pantera but
are now
>A A off by 1 1/2" when bolted to the Edelbrock heads on the same
block,
>A A something else is wrong.AA The resolution of the attached
pictures is
>A A too low to tell but what sort of block is that?AA Is it
aluminum?AA If
>A A it's a 9.5" deck Windsor or race block, that would explain the
problem
>A A as the Cleveland has a 9.2" tall deck.
>A A Dan Jones
>
>A A On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Ed Mendez
<[5][7]edducati at mac.com>
>A A wrote:
>
>A A A Hi All,
>A A A I have not heard this one before, but some mechanics here
in NZ are
>A A A telling my friend that the exhaust ports on the Edelbrock
2V
>A A A Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629) are raised
from the
>A A A stock head location?AA and that they are an inch higher
than
>A A A stocka|? I find that very hard to believe.
>A A A I think my friend just needs some correct Pantera Headers?
>A A A Basically, the headers he has are hitting the gas tank
shield on the
>A A A drivers side and the flange is hitting the suspension on
the
>A A A passenger side.
>A A A The headers he has are Pacemaker out of Australia, see his
email
>A A A below.
>A A A Your advise would be greatly appreciated.
>A A A Thanks, Ed
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Dave Fleming <[6][8]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz>
>> Subject: What Headers match new Edelbrock 2V Performer RPM Heads
>A A A ... ?
>> Date: 21 November 2015 at 17:15:17 NZDT
>> To: Ed Mendez <[7][9]edducati at icloud.com>
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> The great news is that the engine and gearbox went back into the
>A A A Pantera early last weekAA a|AA the bad news is weave hit
a major
>A A A problem.AA AA I think I might need some advice from the
POCA
>A A A community, as Iam sure someone else must have struck this
issue.
>>
>> When the engine was rebuilt, we changed over to new Edelbrock 2V
>A A A Performer RPM Aluminium heads (part # 61629).
>>
>> Seemingly all of the mechanics failed to realise that the exhaust
>A A A ports on these new heads are approximately 11AA 1/22 inches
higher
>A A A at the outlet than the old headers.AA A Accordingly when
the guys
>A A A tried to fit my 2-inch Pacemaker headers back into already
tight
>A A A spaces, thereas no way they were ever going to fit !AA AA
We can
>A A A almost get the right side headers close, but the gap on the
left
>A A A side between the heads and the fuel tank is now way too
small.
>>
>> Given the general lack of knowledge about Panteras in New Zealand
>A A A (thereas only a dozen in the country !) Iam desperately
trying to
>A A A find a cost effective solution.AA AA The options appear
to be as
>A A A follows:
>> Ask if anyone in the POCA community has these particular
Edelbrock
>A A A 2V Performer RPM heads installedAA -AA if so, what
make/model
>A A A headers are they running ?
>> Have some new 2V flanges laser cut, and then butcher my existing
>A A A heads by trying to cut/reshape/weld them onto the new
flangesA
>A A A A (approx US$2,000)
>> Find someone here to make a set of custom headers from scratchA
>A A A A (approx US$5,500 and a 2 month wait !)
>> I can see that Pacemaker (an Australian manufacturer) produce
>A A A units for both 2V and 4V heads for a Ford 351C engine, but
of course
>A A A thereas absolutely no guarantee theyall fit a rear engined
PanteraA
>A A A a|
>>
>> AA AA A
>A A A A
[8][10]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&v
ie
>A A A w=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>A A
A <[9][11]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemar
t&view
>A A A =category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9>
>>
>> Iam really, really nervous about ordering a new set of headers
>A A A through Ebay or offshore unless I can be certain that
theyall bolt
>A A A straight into place.
>>
>> Any help would be very much appreciated Ed, as weare at a bit of
>A A A an impasse at presentAA -AA work had ground to a halt
until we can
>A A A solve this problem.AA A Can you see if any of the POCA
members have
>A A A an easy solution for this problem ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
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> References
>
>A A 1.
[14]http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perfo
rmer-rpm-351c.shtml
>A A 2.
[15]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
>A A 3.
[16]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.j
pg
>A A 4.
[17]http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%20
1.jpg
>A A 5. mailto:[18]edducati at mac.com
>A A 6. mailto:[19]dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
>A A 7. mailto:[20]edducati at icloud.com
>A A 8.
[21]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
>A A 9.
[22]http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
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References
1. mailto:willibillie at live.de
2. mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com
3. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/perform
4. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
5. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
6. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jp
7. mailto:edducati at mac.com
8. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
9. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
10. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&vie
11. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view
12. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
13. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
14. http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/mc/cylinder-heads/ford/performer-rpm-351c.shtml
15. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20left.jpg
16. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%202.jpg
17. http://panteraplace.com/Pantera%20Pics/2V%20header%20right%20%201.jpg
18. mailto:edducati at mac.com
19. mailto:dave.fleming at xtra.co.nz
20. mailto:edducati at icloud.com
21. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
22. http://www.pacemaker.com.au/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=46&limitstart=9
23. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
24. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
25. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
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