[DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Himes, Terry (397C)
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Sun Nov 8 21:06:35 EST 2015
Chuck,
Yep, JFK my personal hero. ;-)
Yes. Jerry and I have been swapping emails. He only retains the PDF format. But PDF's are able to be
reverse-engineered.
I think people are only really interested in searching for Tech Articles. Do you think that is true?
Your thoughts?
Terry
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸
From: Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber at cox.net<mailto:lindahuber at cox.net>>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 5:52 PM
To: Terry Himes <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>, 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Terry - I agree that having the ability to search requires either metadata (if the scan is PDF), but all of the submissions I have made to the Newsletter (and Profiles) are submitted in Word.
This is certainly searchable, and / or could be converted into a text file.
There is POTENTIALLY a supply of the most recent newsletters that can be archived in a text / Word format (vs. the scanned PDF), although I don’t really know the process that Jack / Mike use to prepare the documents, so it is hard for me to say for sure.
Obviously this challenge cannot be solved by shooting a couple email back and forth on a listserver, but you, Terry certainly will remember these immortal words:
“We choose to <organize our POCA Data> in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win.”
Certainly I agree with Jeff that a secure server (and a vibrant website) is a good (critical?) first step.
Regards –
Chuck
From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 9:04 PM
To: Chuck and Linda Huber; 'Jeff Detrich'; 'DeTomaso Mail List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Unfortunately it's not that easy. Scanning is simple, but only makes an image, which is not (easily/quickly) searchable.
You would need to input the metadata to search on or have the original documents. Where are all the originals??
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
🇺🇸
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at poca.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>> on behalf of Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber at cox.net<mailto:lindahuber at cox.net>>
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:32 PM
To: 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>>, POCA <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
I don't normally reply to this list, but read the digest daily, and I have to agree with Jeff - The INFORMATION that is contained in the newsletter is what is valuable to the Pantera community (and should be harnessed for benefit to the club).
The PI forum is great, because it can be searched, and information can be located, extracted and used. The same with the ProvaMo database. People may complain about ProvaMo, but by requiring that people contribute to have access - it resulted in the most comprehensive collection of specific data on our cars that is currently available....
The POCA newsletters are filled with great information - but how do we (POCA) capitalize on it?
Maybe spending some of the POCA surplus on hiring a professional to scan (or upload) and sort / categorize every newsletter would be a good use of some of the funds?
Information is what is valuable - I would love to be able to easily search the contents of this email forum. Cataloging the POCA newsletters and Profiles in an indexed, searchable archive would be a tremendous asset to our club.
Chuck Huber
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Detrich [mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:10 PM
To: arkoch at earthlink.net<mailto:arkoch at earthlink.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Specs for Tech Arts Cont 3 (last ones)
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
Specs for Tech Arts Continued
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
These are great comments and remember, we're talking about the
Newsletter, not Profiles. An electronic version of the Newsletter was
planned to be included in a new but failed website development
project that your Board of Directors somehow screwed up again this
year. (Another reason they don't want you to know what goes on at
Board meetings! I would suggest that the Board publish the minutes
for every meeting and all other actions taken so members really know
what's going on; but ,hey, you already know my position on the
Board's effectiveness.) The important part of the electronic version
is that the graphics are so much better, pictures and diagrams would be in color, more content could be included, etc. etc.
Under the web site specs, *Members would have an option of receiving
a hard copy version, no questions asked, *but the copy would be the
crude black and white version sent out now. Paying extra for it would
be a good option since it's expensive; POCA spends about $25,000 per
year on the Newsletter That's about 50+% of your net dues after chapter rebates.
The second reason and more important reason to do it from the website
was Dick's 2nd point; All the institutional knowledge from all the
old copies of the Newsletter could be maintained on-line as well. The
key to this feature is the indexing, not a google search but a true
metadata index of the reason for the article, key words, parts used,
even the effectiveness of the suggested changes. It could also
include user grading of the content. (Like Yelp!) Now that would
truly be a major new source of value to the DeTomaso Community,
something that non-members might find appealing enough to join POCA.
It would, however, require that some qualified people would have to
review the articles and index the contents. Once all the key words
were indexed, Members could query the keyword database and it would
return all the qualified articles. Or Members could just browse old
versions. We've actually had the old Newsletters in digital form for
some time now but your Board just can't seem to understand how to
actually build a website and disregards counsel from those that do.
Too bad, I've gone thru the old Newsletters and they are really
interesting. It's one of the most valuable assets that the club has.
And we could do the same thing with archiving old versions of
Profiles Magazine. I wouldn't suggest receiving Profiles
electronically but, once again, there is an incredible amount of
historical and useful information that could be made available in the
old versions. Interesting enough, we could also index and archive all
the old Pantera information that Dick has collected over the years.
In fact, the index could even direct your to non-POCA sites like the
Registry and Pantera Place. Even the historical emails from the POCA
email forum rather than the crude google search used currently. Now we add real value to being a member!
Since the Board can't seem to get a website going, it was suggested
that we deliver the Newsletter by email. Not as optimal but it still
provides a better copy and it saves the club a ton of money, money
that could be used to reduce your dues. It's better than nothing and
it gets you the better quality. Once again, you could opt out and get
your beloved hard copies if you wanted to do so.
Attached in some following emails (I can only send 1500 mbs at a
time) are some of the proposed pages for the web site regarding the
Tech Articles from the Newsletters. These were working copies of the
specs but they do give you an idea of what could and should be done.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Dick Koch <arkoch at earthlink.net<mailto:arkoch at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Judy, I really don't understand the problem with providing the
newsletters electronically.
POCA doesn't need to send anything to anybody. The publication
should be made available on the POCA website, with member only
access if limited access is desired. If a member wanted to have a
printed copy, then they could do so. If a member didn't have access
to the internet (I find it hard to believe that anyone that has a
Pantera or an interest in one and is a member doesn't have access to
the internet) and wanted a hard copy then they would have to pay for
that delivery service. Most all organizations, for profit or
otherwise, are going this route, both to reduce cost and provide more timely service to its customers.
An archive of all the Newsletters could be maintained, with an index
by year and topic, with free access granted to those that were
members at the time of the newsletters, Plus for new members that
wanted to have access to old newsletters and certain topics, POCA could charge a fee for that access.
POCA reduces substantially the cost to mail the newsletters,
provides an additional asset to produce income, drives members to
the POCA website, provides a way to reduce the membership fees, and
generates a great sales incentive for members to sign up.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
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Chuck,
Yep, JFK my personal hero. ;-)
Yes. Jerry and I have been swapping emails. He only retains the PDF
format. But PDF's are able to be
reverse-engineered.
I think people are only really interested in searching for Tech
Articles. Do you think that is true?
Your thoughts?
Terry
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: Chuck and Linda Huber <[2]lindahuber at cox.net>
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 5:52 PM
To: Terry Himes <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, 'Jeff Detrich'
<[4]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, POCA <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Terry - I agree that having the ability to search requires either
metadata (if the scan is PDF), but all of the submissions I have made
to the Newsletter (and Profiles) are submitted in Word.
This is certainly searchable, and / or could be converted into a text
file.
There is POTENTIALLY a supply of the most recent newsletters that can
be archived in a text / Word format (vs. the scanned PDF), although I
don't really know the process that Jack / Mike use to prepare the
documents, so it is hard for me to say for sure.
Obviously this challenge cannot be solved by shooting a couple email
back and forth on a listserver, but you, Terry certainly will remember
these immortal words:
"We choose to <organize our POCA Data> in this decade and do the other
things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because
that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies
and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to
accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to
win."
Certainly I agree with Jeff that a secure server (and a vibrant
website) is a good (critical?) first step.
Regards -
Chuck
From: Himes, Terry (397C) [[6]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 9:04 PM
To: Chuck and Linda Huber; 'Jeff Detrich'; 'DeTomaso Mail List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Unfortunately it's not that easy. Scanning is simple, but only makes
an image, which is not (easily/quickly) searchable.
You would need to input the metadata to search on or have the original
documents. Where are all the originals??
"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
to contact us!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Fax: (818) 393-3147
[7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of Chuck and
Linda Huber <[9]lindahuber at cox.net>
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:32 PM
To: 'Jeff Detrich' <[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com>, POCA
<[11]detomaso at poca.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
I don't normally reply to this list, but read the digest daily, and I
have to agree with Jeff - The INFORMATION that is contained in the
newsletter is what is valuable to the Pantera community (and should be
harnessed for benefit to the club).
The PI forum is great, because it can be searched, and information can
be located, extracted and used. The same with the ProvaMo
database. People may complain about ProvaMo, but by requiring that
people contribute to have access - it resulted in the most
comprehensive collection of specific data on our cars that is currently
available....
The POCA newsletters are filled with great information - but how do we
(POCA) capitalize on it?
Maybe spending some of the POCA surplus on hiring a professional to
scan (or upload) and sort / categorize every newsletter would be a good
use of some of the funds?
Information is what is valuable - I would love to be able to easily
search the contents of this email forum. Cataloging the POCA
newsletters and Profiles in an indexed, searchable archive would be a
tremendous asset to our club.
Chuck Huber
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Detrich [[12]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:10 PM
To: [13]arkoch at earthlink.net
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
Specs for Tech Arts Cont 3 (last ones)
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Jeff Detrich <[14]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
Specs for Tech Arts Continued
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Jeff Detrich <[15]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
wrote:
These are great comments and remember, we're talking about the
Newsletter, not Profiles. An electronic version of the Newsletter was
planned to be included in a new but failed website development
project that your Board of Directors somehow screwed up again this
year. (Another reason they don't want you to know what goes on at
Board meetings! I would suggest that the Board publish the minutes
for every meeting and all other actions taken so members really know
what's going on; but ,hey, you already know my position on the
Board's effectiveness.) The important part of the electronic version
is that the graphics are so much better, pictures and diagrams would be
in color, more content could be included, etc. etc.
Under the web site specs, *Members would have an option of receiving
a hard copy version, no questions asked, *but the copy would be the
crude black and white version sent out now. Paying extra for it would
be a good option since it's expensive; POCA spends about $25,000 per
year on the Newsletter That's about 50+% of your net dues after chapter
rebates.
The second reason and more important reason to do it from the website
was Dick's 2nd point; All the institutional knowledge from all the
old copies of the Newsletter could be maintained on-line as well. The
key to this feature is the indexing, not a google search but a true
metadata index of the reason for the article, key words, parts used,
even the effectiveness of the suggested changes. It could also
include user grading of the content. (Like Yelp!) Now that would
truly be a major new source of value to the DeTomaso Community,
something that non-members might find appealing enough to join POCA.
It would, however, require that some qualified people would have to
review the articles and index the contents. Once all the key words
were indexed, Members could query the keyword database and it would
return all the qualified articles. Or Members could just browse old
versions. We've actually had the old Newsletters in digital form for
some time now but your Board just can't seem to understand how to
actually build a website and disregards counsel from those that do.
Too bad, I've gone thru the old Newsletters and they are really
interesting. It's one of the most valuable assets that the club has.
And we could do the same thing with archiving old versions of
Profiles Magazine. I wouldn't suggest receiving Profiles
electronically but, once again, there is an incredible amount of
historical and useful information that could be made available in the
old versions. Interesting enough, we could also index and archive all
the old Pantera information that Dick has collected over the years.
In fact, the index could even direct your to non-POCA sites like the
Registry and Pantera Place. Even the historical emails from the POCA
email forum rather than the crude google search used currently. Now we
add real value to being a member!
Since the Board can't seem to get a website going, it was suggested
that we deliver the Newsletter by email. Not as optimal but it still
provides a better copy and it saves the club a ton of money, money
that could be used to reduce your dues. It's better than nothing and
it gets you the better quality. Once again, you could opt out and get
your beloved hard copies if you wanted to do so.
Attached in some following emails (I can only send 1500 mbs at a
time) are some of the proposed pages for the web site regarding the
Tech Articles from the Newsletters. These were working copies of the
specs but they do give you an idea of what could and should be done.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Dick Koch <[16]arkoch at earthlink.net>
wrote:
Judy, I really don't understand the problem with providing the
newsletters electronically.
POCA doesn't need to send anything to anybody. The publication
should be made available on the POCA website, with member only
access if limited access is desired. If a member wanted to have a
printed copy, then they could do so. If a member didn't have access
to the internet (I find it hard to believe that anyone that has a
Pantera or an interest in one and is a member doesn't have access to
the internet) and wanted a hard copy then they would have to pay for
that delivery service. Most all organizations, for profit or
otherwise, are going this route, both to reduce cost and provide more
timely service to its customers.
An archive of all the Newsletters could be maintained, with an index
by year and topic, with free access granted to those that were
members at the time of the newsletters, Plus for new members that
wanted to have access to old newsletters and certain topics, POCA could
charge a fee for that access.
POCA reduces substantially the cost to mail the newsletters,
provides an additional asset to produce income, drives members to
the POCA website, provides a way to reduce the membership fees, and
generates a great sales incentive for members to sign up.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
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