[DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Fri Nov 6 20:20:36 EST 2015


IMHO  They should not.   We live in an electronic world (like it or not). I would bet the extra charges
were due to mailing costs.


"Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life
  exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried
  to contact us!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
InSight Sequence Team Lead
Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Date: Friday, November 6, 2015 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles

Used to be that for decades, post office mailings  to foreign destinations cost more than the dues POCA charged by quite a margin. But there were less than 25 members residing outside the U,S, so POCA quietly absorbed the excess. Now, the number of members outside the U.S. has doubled; we currently mail to 13 countries. And for various reasons, the Board was enmeshed in long discussions of other issues for most of this year, so a dues reduction was not done, although I proposed it. A poor excuse but it's all I got.....

Now that the Election is half over and seemed to work well, and my experiment of sending electronic copies of the Newsletter to a limited number of members also worked (once I upgraded my ISP at my own expense & corrected a dozen bad e-mail addresses), the mostly-new 2016 Board can begin to address the dues question, as well as electronic Club mailings to all who'd prefer them wherever they live. A few in the U.S have already asked for this convenience and I accommodate them.

And if you'd like to officially volunteer for a position in POCA, note there is nothing in our Bylaws to prevent an overseas POCA member being elected (or appointed) as a Board member, just as a POCA Chapter formed outside the U.S is also not forbidden (the name 'Pantera Owners Club of America' notwithstanding, and we also don't require you to be a current Pantera owner). In the past, we had one Board member in the military who was stationed in S. Korea for a year, and although contact was not easy, he was able to perform his duties. The only real inconvenience seems to be the 6-9 hour time-zone change to our current far-flung membership, since POCA holds its monthly Board meetings by telecon.



Knowing that, i just wonder why foreign members pay more membership fees, than US members?




-----Original Message-----
From: R.J <willibillie at live.de<mailto:willibillie at live.de>>
To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com<mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles


Knowing that, i just wonder, why foreign members pay more membership
   fees,
than US members?

   Am 06.11.2015 um 20:43 schrieb fastgrandma via
DeTomaso:

   Rob, the seed was planted long ago!  Jack has been sending the

Newsletters electronically to all the foreign members - other than a
   couple
who do NOT use computers for well over a year. This has save
   POCA a good
amount of money. It is being worked on to do all members
   who would prefer
this method; the major problem is making sure all the
   email addresses are
correct which takes time. This is also complicated
   by those who's server
will not accept a large mailing.

   Personally I'd never accept an electronic
Profiles; those really need
   to be read in hand. Proofing it online has
definitely shown me that I
   was correct on that issue. :)

   Judy

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   From: Rob Dumoulin [1]<rob at dumoulins.net<mailto:rob at dumoulins.net>>
   To:
Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List [2]<DeTomaso at poca.com<mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
   Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015
6:41 am
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters /
Profiles
My POCA publication arrived yesterday.A  Nice work.A  Has any

discussion
been had yet about distributing these electronically?A  I
   can
see a cost
savings but I can also see it being easier to pirate
   (forwarding
to
non-paying enthusiasts).A  It is nice to have the hard
   copies, but
could
they be published online in a secured area on the
   POCA server that
could be
indexed?A  Printing could be done at the
   choice of the member.

How much
does it cost to print/send each distribution?
   How much time does
somebody
have to spend to make distribution happen?
   Just planting a
seed.A

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   IMHO  They should not.   We live in an electronic world (like it or
   not). I would bet the extra charges
   were due to mailing costs.

   "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent life

     exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried

     to contact us!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   InSight Sequence Team Lead

   Rosetta/MEX Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf of POCA
   <[3]detomaso at poca.com>
   Reply-To: "[4]jderyke at aol.com" <[5]jderyke at aol.com>
   Date: Friday, November 6, 2015 2:10 PM
   To: "[6]willibillie at live.de" <[7]willibillie at live.de>, POCA
   <[8]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles

   Used to be that for decades, post office mailings  to foreign
   destinations cost more than the dues POCA charged by quite a margin.
   But there were less than 25 members residing outside the U,S, so POCA
   quietly absorbed the excess. Now, the number of members outside the
   U.S. has doubled; we currently mail to 13 countries. And for various
   reasons, the Board was enmeshed in long discussions of other issues for
   most of this year, so a dues reduction was not done, although I
   proposed it. A poor excuse but it's all I got.....
   Now that the Election is half over and seemed to work well, and my
   experiment of sending electronic copies of the Newsletter to a limited
   number of members also worked (once I upgraded my ISP at my own expense
   & corrected a dozen bad e-mail addresses), the mostly-new 2016 Board
   can begin to address the dues question, as well as electronic Club
   mailings to all who'd prefer them wherever they live. A few in the U.S
   have already asked for this convenience and I accommodate them.
   And if you'd like to officially volunteer for a position in POCA, note
   there is nothing in our Bylaws to prevent an overseas POCA member being
   elected (or appointed) as a Board member, just as a POCA Chapter formed
   outside the U.S is also not forbidden (the name 'Pantera Owners Club of
   America' notwithstanding, and we also don't require you to be a current
   Pantera owner). In the past, we had one Board member in the military
   who was stationed in S. Korea for a year, and although contact was not
   easy, he was able to perform his duties. The only real inconvenience
   seems to be the 6-9 hour time-zone change to our current far-flung
   membership, since POCA holds its monthly Board meetings by telecon.
   Knowing that, i just wonder why foreign members pay more membership
   fees, than US members?
   -----Original Message-----
   From: R.J <[9]willibillie at live.de>
   To: detomaso <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015 12:19 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters / Profiles
   Knowing that, i just wonder, why foreign members pay more membership
      fees,
   than US members?
      Am 06.11.2015 um 20:43 schrieb fastgrandma via
   DeTomaso:
      Rob, the seed was planted long ago!  Jack has been sending the
   Newsletters electronically to all the foreign members - other than a
      couple
   who do NOT use computers for well over a year. This has save
      POCA a good
   amount of money. It is being worked on to do all members
      who would prefer
   this method; the major problem is making sure all the
      email addresses are
   correct which takes time. This is also complicated
      by those who's server
   will not accept a large mailing.
      Personally I'd never accept an electronic
   Profiles; those really need
      to be read in hand. Proofing it online has
   definitely shown me that I
      was correct on that issue. :)
      Judy

   -----Original Message-----
      From: Rob Dumoulin [1]<[11]rob at dumoulins.net>
      To:
   Pantera - DeTomaso Mail List [2]<[12]DeTomaso at poca.com>
      Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2015
   6:41 am
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Electronic Delivery of newsletters /
   Profiles
   My POCA publication arrived yesterday.A  Nice work.A  Has any

   discussion
   been had yet about distributing these electronically?A  I
      can
   see a cost
   savings but I can also see it being easier to pirate
      (forwarding
   to
   non-paying enthusiasts).A  It is nice to have the hard
      copies, but
   could
   they be published online in a secured area on the
      POCA server that
   could be
   indexed?A  Printing could be done at the
      choice of the member.

   How much
   does it cost to print/send each distribution?
      How much time does
   somebody
   have to spend to make distribution happen?
      Just planting a
   seed.A
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