[DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Thu Nov 5 09:33:52 EST 2015


Dear Jeff,


              So, is it correct that  a PCCA member could collect a 
petition of at least 5% of the members; then submit it to the Board and 
the Board would then be required to put it to a vote of the members or 
the Board would have to officially discuss it and vote on it at the 
Board level?

                        Curious,  Chuck Engles



On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Jeff Detrich wrote:

  The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members 
except their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate 
Member or if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the 
By-Laws in that it gives Associate Members full rights to vote even 
though they have not paid to be a member . As it stands only about 45% 
of the Members don't have a listed Associate Member. I don't have the 
Member database, but I'd be willing to bet that most Associate Members 
are with long-time Regular Members of POCA.

(Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as 
his Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would 
preclude him from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to 
vote as his Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me 
as his Associate.)

So all you Members without an Associate, you are being under-represented 
and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws changed so that 
only a paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog or cat, heck why 
not your car as the Associate Member so you can vote twice. Or add me.

Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the status quo so 
they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to 
Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in 
April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you 
underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change 
the By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay 
attention to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.

Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:

"...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good 
standing; may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed 
amendments in writing to the Secretary.  Members wishing to propose an 
amendment may request the Secretary to send one electronic communication 
to all members containing relevant information about the proposed 
amendment and the procedure for supporting the proposal ."

After that the usual voting procedures apply.

So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to 
vote. That'll shake em up!

Jeff
6559

PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to 
reduce your dues, too. What do you think?  %/))

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles < cengles at cox.net 
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   Dear Bud,


                        Hmm.   From what I am told, the answer is
   no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was nefarious 
enough
   to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without telling 
the
   Member and then deleting the SM email.  That peculiar circumstance
   could happen, but does not seem likely.


                                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   From: B Hower [mailto: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com 
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   Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:06 PM
   To: cengles at cox.net 
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erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com 
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

   Dear Dr,

   Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was not
   tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could an
   associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote or the
   associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?

   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not 
be
   ! )

  
 _______________________________________________________________________

   From: "[1] cengles at cox.net 
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   Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:34 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

   Dear Effie,
                 Correct. You should receive the Survey Monkey email
   because you are on the master list of POCA members in good standing.
   The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good to go
   with
   the SM voting.
                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
   On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:
   > Got and voted already!  Did not ask for our POCA membership number
   > though...
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5] detomaso-bounces at poca.com 
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] On Behalf Of Ed
   > Mendez
   > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 6:38 PM
   > To: [6] detomaso at poca.com 
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   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
   >
   > Would just like to know.
   >
   > Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in your 
email
   > from
   > Survey Monkey?
   >
   > Please let me know.
   >
   > Kind regards,
   >
   > Ed
   >
   >> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt <[7] michaelsavga at gmail.com 
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   >> wrote:
   >>
   >>  Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far as I am
   >>  concerned.
   >>
   >>  Michael Shortt
   >>
   >>  On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   >> <[1][8] detomaso at poca.com 
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   >>  wrote:
   >>
   >>    Forest,
   >>    But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for your
   >>    associate?A  Or did your associate get one of her own?A  Or 
does
   >> the
   >>    single survey afford the opportunity for both parties to vote 
on
   >> a
   >>    single ballot?
   >>    I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did receive
   >>    it...just wondering what to expect.
   >>    Mike
   >>    Sent from my iPhone
   >>    On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart <[2][9] 
forestg at att.net 
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   >>    wrote:
   >>> A  A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
   >>> A  A
   >>    A
   >> __________________________________________________________________
   >>>
   >>> A  A From: Julian Kift <[3][10] julian_kift at hotmail.com 
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> A  A To:
   POCA
   >>> <[4][11] admin at poca.com 
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Tomaso List
   >>    <[5][12] detomaso at poca.com 
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   >>> A  A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM A  A Subject: Re:
   >>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING A  A Some members on list are
   >>> reporting they have voted via a
   >>    Survey Monkey
   >>> A  A link they received which is pinned to their email address
   >>    (thus cannot
   >>> A  A be shared between voters).
   >>> A  A Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I 
have
   >>    received
   >>> A  A nothing?
   >>> A  A Thanks,
   >>> A  A Julian
   >>> A  A ________________________________________
   >>> A  A From: POCA <[1][6][13] admin at poca.com 
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Sent: Sunday,
   November
   >>> 1,
   >>> 2015 12:38 PM A  A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING A  A POCA
   Members:A
   >>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today
   >>    was
   >>> A  A flawed
   >>> A  A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which the
   >>    Bylaws
   >>> A  A Election
   >>> A  A was conducted.A  The election will now be conducted using
   >>    Survey Monkey.
   >>> A  A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the next 
24
   >>    hours to
   >>> A  A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
   >>> A  A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
   >>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A If you need
   >>    details about the Survey
   >>> A  A Monkey
   >>> A  A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer them.
   >>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A
   >>    A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards,
   >>> A  A Chuck Engles
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   Dear Jeff,

                So, is it correct that  a PCCA member could collect a
   petition of at least 5% of the members; then submit it to the Board and
   the Board would then be required to put it to a vote of the members or
   the Board would have to officially discuss it and vote on it at the
   Board level?

                          Curious,  Chuck Engles

   On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Jeff Detrich wrote:

    The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members
   except their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate
   Member or if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the
   By-Laws in that it gives Associate Members full rights to vote even
   though they have not paid to be a member . As it stands only about 45%
   of the Members don't have a listed Associate Member. I don't have the
   Member database, but I'd be willing to bet that most Associate Members
   are with long-time Regular Members of POCA.

   (Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as
   his Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would
   preclude him from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to
   vote as his Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me
   as his Associate.)

   So all you Members without an Associate, you are being
   under-represented and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws
   changed so that only a paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog
   or cat, heck why not your car as the Associate Member so you can vote
   twice. Or add me.

   Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the status quo so
   they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to
   Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in
   April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you
   underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change
   the By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay
   attention to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.

   Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:

   "...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good
   standing; may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed
   amendments in writing to the Secretary.A  Members wishing to propose an
   amendment may request the Secretary to send one electronic
   communication to all members containing relevant information about the
   proposed amendment and the procedure for supporting the proposal ."

   After that the usual voting procedures apply.

   So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to
   vote. That'll shake em up!

   Jeff

   6559

   PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to
   reduce your dues, too. What do you think? A %/))

   On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles < [1]cengles at cox.net>
   wrote:

   A  A Dear Bud,

   A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Hmm.A  A From what I am told, the
   answer is

   A  A no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was nefarious
   enough

   A  A to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without telling
   the

   A  A Member and then deleting the SM email.A  That peculiar
   circumstance

   A  A could happen, but does not seem likely.

   A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest
   regards,A  Chuck Engles

   A  A From: B Hower [mailto: [2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com]

   A  A Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:06 PM

   A  A To: [3]cengles at cox.net; [4]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com

   A  A Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com

   A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

   A  A Dear Dr,

   A  A Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was
   not

   A  A tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could an

   A  A associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote or
   the

   A  A associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?

   A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
   not be

   A  A ! )

   A
   A _____________________________________________________________________
   __

   A  A From: "[1] [6]cengles at cox.net" <[2] [7]cengles at cox.net>

   A  A To: [3] [8]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com

   A  A Cc: [4] [9]detomaso at poca.com

   A  A Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:34 PM

   A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

   A  A Dear Effie,

   A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Correct. You should receive the Survey Monkey
   email

   A  A because you are on the master list of POCA members in good
   standing.

   A  A The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good to
   go

   A  A with

   A  A the SM voting.

   A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards,A  Chuck
   Engles

   A  A On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:

   A  A > Got and voted already!A  Did not ask for our POCA membership
   number

   A  A > though...

   A  A >

   A  A > -----Original Message-----

   A  A > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5] [10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
   Behalf Of Ed

   A  A > Mendez

   A  A > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 6:38 PM

   A  A > To: [6] [11]detomaso at poca.com

   A  A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

   A  A >

   A  A > Would just like to know.

   A  A >

   A  A > Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in your
   email

   A  A > from

   A  A > Survey Monkey?

   A  A >

   A  A > Please let me know.

   A  A >

   A  A > Kind regards,

   A  A >

   A  A > Ed

   A  A >

   A  A >> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt <[7]
   [12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>

   A  A >> wrote:

   A  A >>

   A  A >>A  Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far as I
   am

   A  A >>A  concerned.

   A  A >>

   A  A >>A  Michael Shortt

   A  A >>

   A  A >>A  On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"

   A  A >> <[1][8] [13]detomaso at poca.com>

   A  A >>A  wrote:

   A  A >>

   A  A >>A  A  Forest,

   A  A >>A  A  But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for
   your

   A  A >>A  A  associate?AA  Or did your associate get one of her own?AA
   Or does

   A  A >> the

   A  A >>A  A  single survey afford the opportunity for both parties to
   vote on

   A  A >> a

   A  A >>A  A  single ballot?

   A  A >>A  A  I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did
   receive

   A  A >>A  A  it...just wondering what to expect.

   A  A >>A  A  Mike

   A  A >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone

   A  A >>A  A  On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart <[2][9]
   [14]forestg at att.net>

   A  A >>A  A  wrote:

   A  A >>> AA  A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.

   A  A >>> AA  A

   A  A >>A  A  A

   A  A >>
   __________________________________________________________________

   A  A >>>

   A  A >>> AA  A From: Julian Kift <[3][10] [15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   AA  A To:

   A  A POCA

   A  A >>> <[4][11] [16]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List

   A  A >>A  A  <[5][12] [17]detomaso at poca.com>

   A  A >>> AA  A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM AA  A Subject:
   Re:

   A  A >>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING AA  A Some members on list are

   A  A >>> reporting they have voted via a

   A  A >>A  A  Survey Monkey

   A  A >>> AA  A link they received which is pinned to their email
   address

   A  A >>A  A  (thus cannot

   A  A >>> AA  A be shared between voters).

   A  A >>> AA  A Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I
   have

   A  A >>A  A  received

   A  A >>> AA  A nothing?

   A  A >>> AA  A Thanks,

   A  A >>> AA  A Julian

   A  A >>> AA  A ________________________________________

   A  A >>> AA  A From: POCA <[1][6][13] [18]admin at poca.com> AA  A Sent:
   Sunday,

   A  A November

   A  A >>> 1,

   A  A >>> 2015 12:38 PM AA  A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING AA  A POCA

   A  A Members:A

   A  A >>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today

   A  A >>A  A  was

   A  A >>> AA  A flawed

   A  A >>> AA  A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which
   the

   A  A >>A  A  Bylaws

   A  A >>> AA  A Election

   A  A >>> AA  A was conducted.AA  The election will now be conducted
   using

   A  A >>A  A  Survey Monkey.

   A  A >>> AA  A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the
   next 24

   A  A >>A  A  hours to

   A  A >>> AA  A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.

   A  A >>> AA  A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"

   A  A >>> AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA
   AA  AA  A If you need

   A  A >>A  A  details about the Survey

   A  A >>> AA  A Monkey

   A  A >>> AA  A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer
   them.

   A  A >>> AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA
   AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A

   A  A >>A  A  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  A Warmest regards,

   A  A >>> AA  A Chuck Engles

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