[DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
cengles at cox.net
cengles at cox.net
Thu Nov 5 09:33:52 EST 2015
Dear Jeff,
So, is it correct that a PCCA member could collect a
petition of at least 5% of the members; then submit it to the Board and
the Board would then be required to put it to a vote of the members or
the Board would have to officially discuss it and vote on it at the
Board level?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members
except their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate
Member or if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the
By-Laws in that it gives Associate Members full rights to vote even
though they have not paid to be a member . As it stands only about 45%
of the Members don't have a listed Associate Member. I don't have the
Member database, but I'd be willing to bet that most Associate Members
are with long-time Regular Members of POCA.
(Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as
his Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would
preclude him from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to
vote as his Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me
as his Associate.)
So all you Members without an Associate, you are being under-represented
and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws changed so that
only a paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog or cat, heck why
not your car as the Associate Member so you can vote twice. Or add me.
Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the status quo so
they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to
Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in
April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you
underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change
the By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay
attention to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.
Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:
"...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good
standing; may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed
amendments in writing to the Secretary. Members wishing to propose an
amendment may request the Secretary to send one electronic communication
to all members containing relevant information about the proposed
amendment and the procedure for supporting the proposal ."
After that the usual voting procedures apply.
So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to
vote. That'll shake em up!
Jeff
6559
PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to
reduce your dues, too. What do you think? %/))
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles < cengles at cox.net
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Dear Bud,
Hmm. From what I am told, the answer is
no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was nefarious
enough
to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without telling
the
Member and then deleting the SM email. That peculiar circumstance
could happen, but does not seem likely.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
Dear Dr,
Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was not
tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could an
associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote or the
associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?
Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not
be
! )
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
Dear Effie,
Correct. You should receive the Survey Monkey email
because you are on the master list of POCA members in good standing.
The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good to go
with
the SM voting.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:
> Got and voted already! Did not ask for our POCA membership number
> though...
>
> -----Original Message-----
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] On Behalf Of Ed
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>
> Would just like to know.
>
> Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in your
email
> from
> Survey Monkey?
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ed
>
>> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt <[7] michaelsavga at gmail.com
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>>
>> Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far as I am
>> concerned.
>>
>> Michael Shortt
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>> <[1][8] detomaso at poca.com
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>> wrote:
>>
>> Forest,
>> But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for your
>> associate?A Or did your associate get one of her own?A Or
does
>> the
>> single survey afford the opportunity for both parties to vote
on
>> a
>> single ballot?
>> I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did receive
>> it...just wondering what to expect.
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart <[2][9]
forestg at att.net
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>> wrote:
>>> A A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
>>> A A
>> A
>> __________________________________________________________________
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> A A To:
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Tomaso List
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>>> A A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM A A Subject: Re:
>>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING A A Some members on list are
>>> reporting they have voted via a
>> Survey Monkey
>>> A A link they received which is pinned to their email address
>> (thus cannot
>>> A A be shared between voters).
>>> A A Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I
have
>> received
>>> A A nothing?
>>> A A Thanks,
>>> A A Julian
>>> A A ________________________________________
>>> A A From: POCA <[1][6][13] admin at poca.com
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Sent: Sunday,
November
>>> 1,
>>> 2015 12:38 PM A A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING A A POCA
Members:A
>>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today
>> was
>>> A A flawed
>>> A A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which the
>> Bylaws
>>> A A Election
>>> A A was conducted.A The election will now be conducted using
>> Survey Monkey.
>>> A A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the next
24
>> hours to
>>> A A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
>>> A A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A If you need
>> details about the Survey
>>> A A Monkey
>>> A A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer them.
>>> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
>> A A A A A A A Warmest regards,
>>> A A Chuck Engles
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Dear Jeff,
So, is it correct that a PCCA member could collect a
petition of at least 5% of the members; then submit it to the Board and
the Board would then be required to put it to a vote of the members or
the Board would have to officially discuss it and vote on it at the
Board level?
Curious, Chuck Engles
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members
except their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate
Member or if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the
By-Laws in that it gives Associate Members full rights to vote even
though they have not paid to be a member . As it stands only about 45%
of the Members don't have a listed Associate Member. I don't have the
Member database, but I'd be willing to bet that most Associate Members
are with long-time Regular Members of POCA.
(Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as
his Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would
preclude him from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to
vote as his Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me
as his Associate.)
So all you Members without an Associate, you are being
under-represented and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws
changed so that only a paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog
or cat, heck why not your car as the Associate Member so you can vote
twice. Or add me.
Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the status quo so
they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to
Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in
April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you
underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change
the By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay
attention to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.
Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:
"...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good
standing; may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed
amendments in writing to the Secretary.A Members wishing to propose an
amendment may request the Secretary to send one electronic
communication to all members containing relevant information about the
proposed amendment and the procedure for supporting the proposal ."
After that the usual voting procedures apply.
So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to
vote. That'll shake em up!
Jeff
6559
PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to
reduce your dues, too. What do you think? A %/))
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles < [1]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
A A Dear Bud,
A A A A A A A A A A A A Hmm.A A From what I am told, the
answer is
A A no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was nefarious
enough
A A to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without telling
the
A A Member and then deleting the SM email.A That peculiar
circumstance
A A could happen, but does not seem likely.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest
regards,A Chuck Engles
A A From: B Hower [mailto: [2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com]
A A Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:06 PM
A A To: [3]cengles at cox.net; [4]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
A A Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A Dear Dr,
A A Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was
not
A A tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could an
A A associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote or
the
A A associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
A
A _____________________________________________________________________
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A A Cc: [4] [9]detomaso at poca.com
A A Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:34 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A Dear Effie,
A A A A A A A A A Correct. You should receive the Survey Monkey
email
A A because you are on the master list of POCA members in good
standing.
A A The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good to
go
A A with
A A the SM voting.
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A Warmest regards,A Chuck
Engles
A A On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:
A A > Got and voted already!A Did not ask for our POCA membership
number
A A > though...
A A >
A A > -----Original Message-----
A A > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5] [10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of Ed
A A > Mendez
A A > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 6:38 PM
A A > To: [6] [11]detomaso at poca.com
A A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
A A >
A A > Would just like to know.
A A >
A A > Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in your
email
A A > from
A A > Survey Monkey?
A A >
A A > Please let me know.
A A >
A A > Kind regards,
A A >
A A > Ed
A A >
A A >> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt <[7]
[12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
A A >> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far as I
am
A A >>A concerned.
A A >>
A A >>A Michael Shortt
A A >>
A A >>A On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
A A >> <[1][8] [13]detomaso at poca.com>
A A >>A wrote:
A A >>
A A >>A A Forest,
A A >>A A But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for
your
A A >>A A associate?AA Or did your associate get one of her own?AA
Or does
A A >> the
A A >>A A single survey afford the opportunity for both parties to
vote on
A A >> a
A A >>A A single ballot?
A A >>A A I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did
receive
A A >>A A it...just wondering what to expect.
A A >>A A Mike
A A >>A A Sent from my iPhone
A A >>A A On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart <[2][9]
[14]forestg at att.net>
A A >>A A wrote:
A A >>> AA A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
A A >>> AA A
A A >>A A A
A A >>
__________________________________________________________________
A A >>>
A A >>> AA A From: Julian Kift <[3][10] [15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
AA A To:
A A POCA
A A >>> <[4][11] [16]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List
A A >>A A <[5][12] [17]detomaso at poca.com>
A A >>> AA A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM AA A Subject:
Re:
A A >>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING AA A Some members on list are
A A >>> reporting they have voted via a
A A >>A A Survey Monkey
A A >>> AA A link they received which is pinned to their email
address
A A >>A A (thus cannot
A A >>> AA A be shared between voters).
A A >>> AA A Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I
have
A A >>A A received
A A >>> AA A nothing?
A A >>> AA A Thanks,
A A >>> AA A Julian
A A >>> AA A ________________________________________
A A >>> AA A From: POCA <[1][6][13] [18]admin at poca.com> AA A Sent:
Sunday,
A A November
A A >>> 1,
A A >>> 2015 12:38 PM AA A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING AA A POCA
A A Members:A
A A >>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today
A A >>A A was
A A >>> AA A flawed
A A >>> AA A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which
the
A A >>A A Bylaws
A A >>> AA A Election
A A >>> AA A was conducted.AA The election will now be conducted
using
A A >>A A Survey Monkey.
A A >>> AA A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the
next 24
A A >>A A hours to
A A >>> AA A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
A A >>> AA A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
A A >>> AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
AA AA A If you need
A A >>A A details about the Survey
A A >>> AA A Monkey
A A >>> AA A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer
them.
A A >>> AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA
AA AA AA AA AA AA A
A A >>A A AA AA AA AA AA AA A Warmest regards,
A A >>> AA A Chuck Engles
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