[DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING

Jeff Detrich jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Nov 4 23:18:10 EST 2015


The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members except
their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate Member or
if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the By-Laws in that it
gives Associate Members full rights to vote *even though they have not paid
to be a member*. As it stands only about 45% of the Members *don't* have a
listed Associate Member. I don't have the Member database, but I'd be
willing to bet that most Associate Members are with long-time Regular
Members of POCA.

(Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as his
Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would preclude him
from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to vote as his
Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me as his
Associate.)

So all you Members without an Associate, you are being under-represented
and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws changed so that only a
paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog or cat, heck why not your
car as the Associate Member so you can vote twice. Or add me.

Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the *status quo* so
they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to
Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in
April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you
underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change the
By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay attention
to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.

Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:

"...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good standing;
may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed amendments in
writing to the Secretary.  Members wishing to propose an amendment may
request the Secretary to send one electronic communication to all members
containing relevant information about the proposed amendment and the
procedure for supporting the proposal."

After that the usual voting procedures apply.

So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to
vote. That'll shake em up!

Jeff
6559

PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to reduce
your dues, too. What do you think?  %/))

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:

>    Dear Bud,
>
>
>
>                         Hmm.   From what I am told, the answer is
>    no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was nefarious enough
>    to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without telling the
>    Member and then deleting the SM email.  That peculiar circumstance
>    could happen, but does not seem likely.
>
>
>
>                                         Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>
>    From: B Hower [mailto:b.hower3400 at yahoo.com]
>    Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:06 PM
>    To: cengles at cox.net; erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>    Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>
>
>    Dear Dr,
>
>
>    Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was not
>    tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could an
>    associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote or the
>    associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?
>
>
>    Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
>    ! )
>
>    _______________________________________________________________________
>
>    From: "[1]cengles at cox.net" <[2]cengles at cox.net>
>    To: [3]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
>    Cc: [4]detomaso at poca.com
>    Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:34 PM
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>
>    Dear Effie,
>                  Correct. You should receive the Survey Monkey email
>    because you are on the master list of POCA members in good standing.
>    The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good to go
>    with
>    the SM voting.
>                            Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>    On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:
>    > Got and voted already!  Did not ask for our POCA membership number
>    > though...
>    >
>    > -----Original Message-----
>    > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ed
>    > Mendez
>    > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 6:38 PM
>    > To: [6]detomaso at poca.com
>    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
>    >
>    > Would just like to know.
>    >
>    > Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in your email
>    > from
>    > Survey Monkey?
>    >
>    > Please let me know.
>    >
>    > Kind regards,
>    >
>    > Ed
>    >
>    >> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt <[7]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
>    >> wrote:
>    >>
>    >>  Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far as I am
>    >>  concerned.
>    >>
>    >>  Michael Shortt
>    >>
>    >>  On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>    >> <[1][8]detomaso at poca.com>
>    >>  wrote:
>    >>
>    >>    Forest,
>    >>    But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one for your
>    >>    associate?A  Or did your associate get one of her own?A  Or does
>    >> the
>    >>    single survey afford the opportunity for both parties to vote on
>    >> a
>    >>    single ballot?
>    >>    I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did receive
>    >>    it...just wondering what to expect.
>    >>    Mike
>    >>    Sent from my iPhone
>    >>    On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart <[2][9]forestg at att.net>
>    >>    wrote:
>    >>> A  A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
>    >>> A  A
>    >>    A
>    >> __________________________________________________________________
>    >>>
>    >>> A  A From: Julian Kift <[3][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com> A  A To:
>    POCA
>    >>> <[4][11]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List
>    >>    <[5][12]detomaso at poca.com>
>    >>> A  A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM A  A Subject: Re:
>    >>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING A  A Some members on list are
>    >>> reporting they have voted via a
>    >>    Survey Monkey
>    >>> A  A link they received which is pinned to their email address
>    >>    (thus cannot
>    >>> A  A be shared between voters).
>    >>> A  A Were the links mass mailed or being sent individually, I have
>    >>    received
>    >>> A  A nothing?
>    >>> A  A Thanks,
>    >>> A  A Julian
>    >>> A  A ________________________________________
>    >>> A  A From: POCA <[1][6][13]admin at poca.com> A  A Sent: Sunday,
>    November
>    >>> 1,
>    >>> 2015 12:38 PM A  A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING A  A POCA
>    Members:A
>    >>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today
>    >>    was
>    >>> A  A flawed
>    >>> A  A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which the
>    >>    Bylaws
>    >>> A  A Election
>    >>> A  A was conducted.A  The election will now be conducted using
>    >>    Survey Monkey.
>    >>> A  A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the next 24
>    >>    hours to
>    >>> A  A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
>    >>> A  A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
>    >>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A If you need
>    >>    details about the Survey
>    >>> A  A Monkey
>    >>> A  A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer them.
>    >>> A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A
>    >>    A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards,
>    >>> A  A Chuck Engles
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   The problem is that POCA has no information on Associate Members except
   their names. We don't even know if they want to be an Associate Member
   or if they even real. In my view this is a problem with the By-Laws in
   that it gives Associate Members full rights to vote even though they
   have not paid to be a member. As it stands only about 45% of the
   Members don't have a listed Associate Member. I don't have the Member
   database, but I'd be willing to bet that most Associate Members are
   with long-time Regular Members of POCA.
   (Interesting aside, one of the members in my chapter has me listed as
   his Associated Member. There is nothing in the By-Laws that would
   preclude him from doing so. As a result, I should have been eligible to
   vote as his Associate Member. I'd be curious to see if he voted for me
   as his Associate.)
   So all you Members without an Associate, you are being
   under-represented and under-served by the Club. Either get the By-Laws
   changed so that only a paying member can vote, or add your spouse, dog
   or cat, heck why not your car as the Associate Member so you can vote
   twice. Or add me.
   Now you may ask how that can be done? The Board likes the status quo so
   they are unlikely to vote to change the By-Laws. Well in the changes to
   Article X of the By-Laws, Amendment of the By-Laws, which you passed in
   April of this year, I added in something sneaky to give you
   underrepresented people a way to petition the Club for a vote to change
   the By-Laws. The rest of the Board in their usual fashion didn't pay
   attention to the consequences and so it became part of the By-Laws.
   Section 1 (b) of Article X, Amendment to the By-Laws, reads as follows:
   "...or five percent (5%) of Regular and Associate members in good
   standing; may propose amendments to the By-Laws by submitting proposed
   amendments in writing to the Secretary.A  Members wishing to propose an
   amendment may request the Secretary to send one electronic
   communication to all members containing relevant information about the
   proposed amendment and the procedure for supporting the proposal."
   After that the usual voting procedures apply.
   So do yourself a favor and demand a vote to only allow paid Members to
   vote. That'll shake em up!
   Jeff
   6559
   PS: If it were me, I'd go a step further and petition the board to
   reduce your dues, too. What do you think? A %/))

   On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
   wrote:

     A  A Dear Bud,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Hmm.A  A From what I am told,
     the answer is
     A  A no.....unless (bear with me on this) the Associate was
     nefarious enough
     A  A to intercept the Survey Monkey email and then vote without
     telling the
     A  A Member and then deleting the SM email.A  That peculiar
     circumstance
     A  A could happen, but does not seem likely.
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest
     regards,A  Chuck Engles
     A  A From: B Hower [mailto:[2]b.hower3400 at yahoo.com]
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:06 PM
     A  A To: [3]cengles at cox.net; [4]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
     A  A Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
     A  A Dear Dr,
     A  A Did any associate members receive an e-mail for voting that was
     not
     A  A tied into the member's email? The question is actually, could
     an
     A  A associate member vote without the main member viewing the vote
     or the
     A  A associate member vote without viewing main member's vote?
     A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
     not be
     A  A ! )
     A
     A __________________________________________________________________
     _____
     A  A From: "[1][6]cengles at cox.net" <[2][7]cengles at cox.net>
     A  A To: [3][8]erichards at zogob.sdcoxmail.com
     A  A Cc: [4][9]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 12:34 PM
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
     A  A Dear Effie,
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Correct. You should receive the Survey
     Monkey email
     A  A because you are on the master list of POCA members in good
     standing.
     A  A The SM then sent emails to those members, so.....you are good
     to go
     A  A with
     A  A the SM voting.
     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A Warmest regards,A  Chuck
     Engles
     A  A On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Effie Richards wrote:
     A  A > Got and voted already!A  Did not ask for our POCA membership
     number
     A  A > though...
     A  A >
     A  A > -----Original Message-----
     A  A > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
     Behalf Of Ed
     A  A > Mendez
     A  A > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 6:38 PM
     A  A > To: [6][11]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING
     A  A >
     A  A > Would just like to know.
     A  A >
     A  A > Are there any POCA members who did NOT receive a ballot in
     your email
     A  A > from
     A  A > Survey Monkey?
     A  A >
     A  A > Please let me know.
     A  A >
     A  A > Kind regards,
     A  A >
     A  A > Ed
     A  A >
     A  A >> On 3/11/2015, at 14:10, Michael Shortt
     <[7][12]michaelsavga at gmail.com>
     A  A >> wrote:
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  Not campaigning here, but the list is untouchable as far
     as I am
     A  A >>A  concerned.
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  Michael Shortt
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  On Nov 2, 2015 1:15 PM, "Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
     A  A >> <[1][8][13]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A >>A  wrote:
     A  A >>
     A  A >>A  A  Forest,
     A  A >>A  A  But did you get two of them, one for yourself and one
     for your
     A  A >>A  A  associate?AA  Or did your associate get one of her
     own?AA  Or does
     A  A >> the
     A  A >>A  A  single survey afford the opportunity for both parties
     to vote on
     A  A >> a
     A  A >>A  A  single ballot?
     A  A >>A  A  I haven't been able to look at mine yet although I did
     receive
     A  A >>A  A  it...just wondering what to expect.
     A  A >>A  A  Mike
     A  A >>A  A  Sent from my iPhone
     A  A >>A  A  On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:01, Forest Goodhart
     <[2][9][14]forestg at att.net>
     A  A >>A  A  wrote:
     A  A >>> AA  A Mine showed up in my spam folder. Check there.
     A  A >>> AA  A
     A  A >>A  A  A
     A  A >>
     __________________________________________________________________
     A  A >>>
     A  A >>> AA  A From: Julian Kift
     <[3][10][15]julian_kift at hotmail.com> AA  A To:
     A  A POCA
     A  A >>> <[4][11][16]admin at poca.com>; De Tomaso List
     A  A >>A  A  <[5][12][17]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A >>> AA  A Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 9:45 AM AA  A Subject:
     Re:
     A  A >>> [DeTomaso] POCA ELECTION VOTING AA  A Some members on list
     are
     A  A >>> reporting they have voted via a
     A  A >>A  A  Survey Monkey
     A  A >>> AA  A link they received which is pinned to their email
     address
     A  A >>A  A  (thus cannot
     A  A >>> AA  A be shared between voters).
     A  A >>> AA  A Were the links mass mailed or being sent
     individually, I have
     A  A >>A  A  received
     A  A >>> AA  A nothing?
     A  A >>> AA  A Thanks,
     A  A >>> AA  A Julian
     A  A >>> AA  A ________________________________________
     A  A >>> AA  A From: POCA <[1][6][13][18]admin at poca.com> AA  A Sent:
     Sunday,

   A  A November
   A  A >>> 1,
   A  A >>> 2015 12:38 PM AA  A Subject: POCA ELECTION VOTING AA  A POCA
   A  A Members:A
   A  A >>> The expected start of the POCA Elections today
   A  A >>A  A  was
   A  A >>> AA  A flawed
   A  A >>> AA  A due to a failure of the Ballot Bin website through which
   the
   A  A >>A  A  Bylaws
   A  A >>> AA  A Election
   A  A >>> AA  A was conducted.AA  The election will now be conducted
   using
   A  A >>A  A  Survey Monkey.
   A  A >>> AA  A You should receive an email from Survey Monkey in the
   next 24
   A  A >>A  A  hours to
   A  A >>> AA  A electronically vote in the POCA Elections.
   A  A >>> AA  A Chuck Engles, Election Committee"
   A  A >>> AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA  AA
   AA  AA  A If you need
   A  A >>A  A  details about the Survey
   A  A >>> AA  A Monkey
   A  A >>> AA  A deal, then please contact Ed Mendez, who can answer
   them.
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     A  A 7. mailto:[57]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A  A 8. mailto:[58]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A 9. mailto:[59]forestg at att.net
     A  10. mailto:[60]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  11. mailto:[61]admin at poca.com
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