[DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Sean Korb
spkorb at gmail.com
Tue Nov 3 19:14:51 EST 2015
The stock arrangement really isn't that bad, but it is probably very very
old. I just rebuilt mine and it was inexpensive, but every part I thought
would be fine turned out to need attention. Brake flex lines, the master
cylinder (I bought a GM Step bore master modified by Precision Pro-formance
that I like) and caliper rebuilds just to get 40 years of brake sludge
out. The rears were more tricky than the fronts but there is a good web
page describing the procedure (and many other related procedures)
http://www.panteraplace.com/Sub1/page306.html
http://www.panteraplace.com/page137.htm
http://www.panteraplace.com/page202.htm
A google search will show a bunch of owners odysseys. Wilwood has calipers
now with dust boots so be sure you get those if you opt for the more
expensive but truly grand braking experience. Without dust boots you may
need to service them more often. The stock ones, of course come with boots
though they can get pinched with rough handling during a rebuild :)
sean
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> The heavy and ugly is not that relevant to me (my idea of a beauty is
> either an M35A2 or an H1) so...
> I will be buying shortly the 4 wheel kit, thanks you for the excellent
> explanations, once we have the car on the lift to inspect the potential
> damage the locked front right caliper did to the rotor.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Scott Bell
> <[1]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Konrad,
>
> A
>
> There are 2 kits we sell that give the BIGGEST bang for the buck. They
> are an add-on Caliper to the rear that retains the stock Caliper as a
> parking brake. This kit is $499.95.
>
> A
>
> Most customers tell me the improvement is unbelievable. This is because
> the stock rear brakes are completely undersized for the Pantera,
> especially for a car with wider rear tires. This kit also requires the
> removal of the stock proportioning valve. The removal of the valve
> increases the pressure to the front brakes giving you a free upgrade to
> the fronts at the same time. You might think to simply remove the
> proportioning valve now for a free upgrade. Some have done this but in
> my opinion it is a very bad idea because it essentially disables the
> small amount of brake the stock rears do provide. This is because the
> increased performance from the front caused the rears to not get enough
> pressure. This subject could be talked about a lot more but I will
> leave it there for nowa|
>
> A
>
> The other inexpensive kit we sell, for $995.00, A is 4 Wilwood Calipers
> over stock rotors. This is another very popular kit. The main advantage
> for doing the fronts is the weight savings, the availability of
> multiple brake pad compounds, the availability of re-build parts in the
> future and the ability to build on the investment with compatibility to
> future upgrades, like bigger rotors, etca|
>
> A
>
> The stock e-brake it retained for both of these kits. If it works today
> it can be left as your e-brake. BUT, it is heaving and ugly (if that
> matters to you). There are many options for an e-brake available. IPSCO
> makes a bolt on e-brake that works very well. Wilwood makes several
> cable actuated brakes that would work well and then there is the stock
> unit.
>
> A
>
> I will be coming out with a new e-brake shortly that I will be adding
> to my existing kits for those that want to replace the ugly stock unit
> with a more modern unit that isnat too expensive. More to come on that
> later.
>
> A
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> A
>
> Take care, Scott
>
> A
>
> Scott Bell
>
> SACC Restorations
>
> [2]951-461-2190
>
> [3]http://www.saccrestorations.net
>
> A
>
> A
>
> A
>
> From: Konrad Szwab [mailto:[4]kszwab at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:47 PM
> To: Scott Bell
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
>
> A
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> A
>
> Could you please be so kind to describe a bit
> [5]http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stoc
> k-rotors/
>
> A
>
> My concerns:
>
> A
>
> 1. I am cheap (yeah, I know, I should not be a Pantera owner, but it is
> an imperfect world)
>
> 2. I am trying not to get killed
>
> 3. If I purchase this kit, will I lose the e-brake ? (some Toyota
> loving ass will fail the car at inspections)
>
> 4. If I have to keep the stock calipers for e-brake, can I buy just a
> front kit ? (#1 and #3 come to mind)
>
> A
>
> Thanks,
>
> A
>
> A
>
> A
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Scott Bell
> <[6]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Michael,
> Where are you buying your Wilwood brakes from. 6K is INSANE!!!
> Please check-out some of our offerings. What is listed here is not all
> the kits we offer.
> SACC Restorations has the wideset range of brake products available for
> the Pantera at the best prices.
> Check some of them out at:
> [7]http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
> Take care, Scott
> Scott Bell
> SACC Restorations
> [8]951-461-2190
> [9]http://www.saccrestorations.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Shortt
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:21 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
> Yes, fuel injection will weaken the lope lope sound.
> Probably closer to 6k for Wilwood.
> Precision Proformance has a nice upgrade in the 3300 range.
> Yes, engine gets removed for gas tank replacement.
> Michael Shortt
> On Nov 3, 2015 11:12 AM, "Konrad Szwab" <[11]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >A A Thank you for the advice Michael. I am quite dead set for a fuel
> >A A injection system but would entertain the idea of a new brake
> system.
> >A A Was the Wilwood in the $3k range ?
> >A A The mention of the rumble is worrying me. Are you saying that
> the sound
> >A A would be weakened by the injection system ? I thought that was
> mostly
> >A A the exhaust. It is important to maintain the sound, I enjoy
> listening
> >A A to it and it has the added satisfaction factor of pissing off my
> Toyota
> >A A driving neighbors.
> >A A Also I would need to do the safety wiring of the transaxle and
> probably
> >A A replace the always smelling gas tank (presume a crack in the
> neck of
> >A A the tank) and probably replace the radiator.
> >A A Does replacement of the gas tank require the engine removal ?
> >A A I need to seriously work on the car to prevent it from getting
> me
> >A A killed so new brakes are a definite priority.
> >
> >A A On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Michael Shortt
> >A A <[1][12]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >A A Konrad,A
> >A A I would throw money at the brakes and buy a whole new system, (
> >A A Wilwood, Brembo, Porsche Turbo )
> >A A and go with a new carb A ( QFT is awesome ) if I was redoing a
> car, you
> >A A will get far more enjoyment outA
> >A A of better brakes and maintain the rumble of the 351 Cleveland
> for the
> >A A total Pantera experience.
> >A A Michael Shortt
> >
> >A A On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Konrad Szwab
> <[2][13]kszwab at gmail.com>
> >A A wrote:
> >
> >A A A AA A Now that I have a bit of time to try to resurrect my
> poor '73A
> >A A A Pantera,
> >A A A AA A I would like to ask for recommendations/sources for the
> >A A A following:
> >A A A AA A 1. Fuel injection system for a '73 Cleveland.
> Recommended model
> >A A A and
> >A A A AA A sources, pitfalls in installation. Is there a write up
> anywhere
> >A A A from
> >A A A AA A someone who did the conversion ?
> >A A A AA A 2. Brake rebuild kit. Sources, pitfalls ?
> >A A A AA A Thanks,
> >A A A AA A Konrad
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> 2. tel:951-461-2190
> 3. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
> 4. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
> 5.
> http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stock-rotors/
> 6. mailto:scott at saccrestorations.net
> 7. http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
> 8. tel:951-461-2190
> 9. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
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The stock arrangement really isn't that bad, but it is probably very
very old.A I just rebuilt mine and it was inexpensive, but every part
I thought would be fine turned out to need attention.A Brake flex
lines, the master cylinder (I bought a GM Step bore master modified by
Precision Pro-formance that I like) and caliper rebuilds just to get 40
years of brake sludge out.A The rears were more tricky than the fronts
but there is a good web page describing the procedure (and many other
related
procedures)A [1]http://www.panteraplace.com/Sub1/page306.htmlA [2]http:
//www.panteraplace.com/page137.htmA [3]http://www.panteraplace.com/page
202.htmA
A google search will show a bunch of owners odysseys.A Wilwood has
calipers now with dust boots so be sure you get those if you opt for
the more expensive but truly grand braking experience. Without dust
boots you may need to service them more often.A The stock ones, of
course come with boots though they can get pinched with rough handling
during a rebuild :)
sean
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Konrad Szwab <[4]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
A A The heavy and ugly is not that relevant to me (my idea of a
beauty is
A A either an M35A2 or an H1) so...
A A I will be buying shortly the 4 wheel kit, thanks you for the
excellent
A A explanations, once we have the car on the lift to inspect the
potential
A A damage the locked front right caliper did to the rotor.
A A On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Scott Bell
A A <[1][5]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
A A Hi Konrad,
A A A
A A There are 2 kits we sell that give the BIGGEST bang for the
buck. They
A A are an add-on Caliper to the rear that retains the stock
Caliper as a
A A parking brake. This kit is $499.95.
A A A
A A Most customers tell me the improvement is unbelievable. This is
because
A A the stock rear brakes are completely undersized for the
Pantera,
A A especially for a car with wider rear tires. This kit also
requires the
A A removal of the stock proportioning valve. The removal of the
valve
A A increases the pressure to the front brakes giving you a free
upgrade to
A A the fronts at the same time. You might think to simply remove
the
A A proportioning valve now for a free upgrade. Some have done this
but in
A A my opinion it is a very bad idea because it essentially
disables the
A A small amount of brake the stock rears do provide. This is
because the
A A increased performance from the front caused the rears to not
get enough
A A pressure. This subject could be talked about a lot more but I
will
A A leave it there for nowa|
A A A
A A The other inexpensive kit we sell, for $995.00, A is 4 Wilwood
Calipers
A A over stock rotors. This is another very popular kit. The main
advantage
A A for doing the fronts is the weight savings, the availability of
A A multiple brake pad compounds, the availability of re-build
parts in the
A A future and the ability to build on the investment with
compatibility to
A A future upgrades, like bigger rotors, etca|
A A A
A A The stock e-brake it retained for both of these kits. If it
works today
A A it can be left as your e-brake. BUT, it is heaving and ugly (if
that
A A matters to you). There are many options for an e-brake
available. IPSCO
A A makes a bolt on e-brake that works very well. Wilwood makes
several
A A cable actuated brakes that would work well and then there is
the stock
A A unit.
A A A
A A I will be coming out with a new e-brake shortly that I will be
adding
A A to my existing kits for those that want to replace the ugly
stock unit
A A with a more modern unit that isnat too expensive. More to come
on that
A A later.
A A A
A A Let me know if you have any questions.
A A A
A A Take care, Scott
A A A
A A Scott Bell
A A SACC Restorations
A A [2]951-461-2190
A A [3][6]http://www.saccrestorations.net
A A A
A A A
A A A
A A From: Konrad Szwab [mailto:[4][7]kszwab at gmail.com]
A A Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:47 PM
A A To: Scott Bell
A A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes
question
A A A
A A Hey Scott,
A A A
A A Could you please be so kind to describe a bit
A
A [5][8]http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-
for-stoc
A A k-rotors/
A A A
A A My concerns:
A A A
A A 1. I am cheap (yeah, I know, I should not be a Pantera owner,
but it is
A A an imperfect world)
A A 2. I am trying not to get killed
A A 3. If I purchase this kit, will I lose the e-brake ? (some
Toyota
A A loving ass will fail the car at inspections)
A A 4. If I have to keep the stock calipers for e-brake, can I buy
just a
A A front kit ? (#1 and #3 come to mind)
A A A
A A Thanks,
A A A
A A A
A A A
A A On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Scott Bell
A A <[6][9]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
A A Michael,
A A Where are you buying your Wilwood brakes from. 6K is INSANE!!!
A A Please check-out some of our offerings. What is listed here is
not all
A A the kits we offer.
A A SACC Restorations has the wideset range of brake products
available for
A A the Pantera at the best prices.
A A Check some of them out at:
A A [7][10]http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
A A Take care, Scott
A A Scott Bell
A A SACC Restorations
A A [8]951-461-2190
A A [9][11]http://www.saccrestorations.net
A A -----Original Message-----
A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10][12]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
Behalf Of
A A Michael Shortt
A A Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:21 AM
A A To: Konrad Szwab
A A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes
question
A A Yes, fuel injection will weaken the lope lope sound.
A A Probably closer to 6k for Wilwood.
A A Precision Proformance has a nice upgrade in the 3300 range.
A A Yes, engine gets removed for gas tank replacement.
A A Michael Shortt
A A On Nov 3, 2015 11:12 AM, "Konrad Szwab"
<[11][13]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >AA AA Thank you for the advice Michael. I am quite dead set
for a fuel
A A >AA AA injection system but would entertain the idea of a new
brake
A A system.
A A >AA AA Was the Wilwood in the $3k range ?
A A >AA AA The mention of the rumble is worrying me. Are you
saying that
A A the sound
A A >AA AA would be weakened by the injection system ? I thought
that was
A A mostly
A A >AA AA the exhaust. It is important to maintain the sound, I
enjoy
A A listening
A A >AA AA to it and it has the added satisfaction factor of
pissing off my
A A Toyota
A A >AA AA driving neighbors.
A A >AA AA Also I would need to do the safety wiring of the
transaxle and
A A probably
A A >AA AA replace the always smelling gas tank (presume a crack
in the
A A neck of
A A >AA AA the tank) and probably replace the radiator.
A A >AA AA Does replacement of the gas tank require the engine
removal ?
A A >AA AA I need to seriously work on the car to prevent it from
getting
A A me
A A >AA AA killed so new brakes are a definite priority.
A A >
A A >AA AA On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Michael Shortt
A A >AA AA <[1][12][14]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >AA AA Konrad,A
A A >AA AA I would throw money at the brakes and buy a whole new
system, (
A A >AA AA Wilwood, Brembo, Porsche Turbo )
A A >AA AA and go with a new carb A ( QFT is awesome ) if I was
redoing a
A A car, you
A A >AA AA will get far more enjoyment outA
A A >AA AA of better brakes and maintain the rumble of the 351
Cleveland
A A for the
A A >AA AA total Pantera experience.
A A >AA AA Michael Shortt
A A >
A A >AA AA On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Konrad Szwab
A A <[2][13][15]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A >AA AA wrote:
A A >
A A >AA AA AA AAA A Now that I have a bit of time to try to
resurrect my
A A poor '73A
A A >AA AA AA Pantera,
A A >AA AA AA AAA A I would like to ask for
recommendations/sources for the
A A >AA AA AA following:
A A >AA AA AA AAA A 1. Fuel injection system for a '73
Cleveland.
A A Recommended model
A A >AA AA AA and
A A >AA AA AA AAA A sources, pitfalls in installation. Is there
a write up
A A anywhere
A A >AA AA AA from
A A >AA AA AA AAA A someone who did the conversion ?
A A >AA AA AA AAA A 2. Brake rebuild kit. Sources, pitfalls ?
A A >AA AA AA AAA A Thanks,
A A >AA AA AA AAA A Konrad
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A A 4. mailto:[31]kszwab at gmail.com
A A 5.
[32]http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-
stock-rotors/
A A 6. mailto:[33]scott at saccrestorations.net
A A 7. [34]http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
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32. http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stock-rotors/
33. mailto:scott at saccrestorations.net
34. http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
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