[DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Scott Bell
scott at saccrestorations.net
Tue Nov 3 17:24:34 EST 2015
Hi Konrad,
There are 2 kits we sell that give the BIGGEST bang for the buck. They are an add-on Caliper to the rear that retains the stock Caliper as a parking brake. This kit is $499.95.
Most customers tell me the improvement is unbelievable. This is because the stock rear brakes are completely undersized for the Pantera, especially for a car with wider rear tires. This kit also requires the removal of the stock proportioning valve. The removal of the valve increases the pressure to the front brakes giving you a free upgrade to the fronts at the same time. You might think to simply remove the proportioning valve now for a free upgrade. Some have done this but in my opinion it is a very bad idea because it essentially disables the small amount of brake the stock rears do provide. This is because the increased performance from the front caused the rears to not get enough pressure. This subject could be talked about a lot more but I will leave it there for now…
The other inexpensive kit we sell, for $995.00, is 4 Wilwood Calipers over stock rotors. This is another very popular kit. The main advantage for doing the fronts is the weight savings, the availability of multiple brake pad compounds, the availability of re-build parts in the future and the ability to build on the investment with compatibility to future upgrades, like bigger rotors, etc…
The stock e-brake it retained for both of these kits. If it works today it can be left as your e-brake. BUT, it is heaving and ugly (if that matters to you). There are many options for an e-brake available. IPSCO makes a bolt on e-brake that works very well. Wilwood makes several cable actuated brakes that would work well and then there is the stock unit.
I will be coming out with a new e-brake shortly that I will be adding to my existing kits for those that want to replace the ugly stock unit with a more modern unit that isn’t too expensive. More to come on that later.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Take care, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
951-461-2190
http://www.saccrestorations.net
From: Konrad Szwab [mailto:kszwab at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:47 PM
To: Scott Bell
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Hey Scott,
Could you please be so kind to describe a bit http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stock-rotors/
My concerns:
1. I am cheap (yeah, I know, I should not be a Pantera owner, but it is an imperfect world)
2. I am trying not to get killed
3. If I purchase this kit, will I lose the e-brake ? (some Toyota loving ass will fail the car at inspections)
4. If I have to keep the stock calipers for e-brake, can I buy just a front kit ? (#1 and #3 come to mind)
Thanks,
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
Michael,
Where are you buying your Wilwood brakes from. 6K is INSANE!!!
Please check-out some of our offerings. What is listed here is not all the kits we offer.
SACC Restorations has the wideset range of brake products available for the Pantera at the best prices.
Check some of them out at:
http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
Take care, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
951-461-2190
http://www.saccrestorations.net
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Michael Shortt
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:21 AM
To: Konrad Szwab
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Yes, fuel injection will weaken the lope lope sound.
Probably closer to 6k for Wilwood.
Precision Proformance has a nice upgrade in the 3300 range.
Yes, engine gets removed for gas tank replacement.
Michael Shortt
On Nov 3, 2015 11:12 AM, "Konrad Szwab" <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the advice Michael. I am quite dead set for a fuel
> injection system but would entertain the idea of a new brake system.
> Was the Wilwood in the $3k range ?
> The mention of the rumble is worrying me. Are you saying that the sound
> would be weakened by the injection system ? I thought that was mostly
> the exhaust. It is important to maintain the sound, I enjoy listening
> to it and it has the added satisfaction factor of pissing off my Toyota
> driving neighbors.
> Also I would need to do the safety wiring of the transaxle and probably
> replace the always smelling gas tank (presume a crack in the neck of
> the tank) and probably replace the radiator.
> Does replacement of the gas tank require the engine removal ?
> I need to seriously work on the car to prevent it from getting me
> killed so new brakes are a definite priority.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Michael Shortt
> <[1]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Konrad,A
> I would throw money at the brakes and buy a whole new system, (
> Wilwood, Brembo, Porsche Turbo )
> and go with a new carb A ( QFT is awesome ) if I was redoing a car, you
> will get far more enjoyment outA
> of better brakes and maintain the rumble of the 351 Cleveland for the
> total Pantera experience.
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Konrad Szwab <[2]kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A Now that I have a bit of time to try to resurrect my poor '73A
> Pantera,
> A A I would like to ask for recommendations/sources for the
> following:
> A A 1. Fuel injection system for a '73 Cleveland. Recommended model
> and
> A A sources, pitfalls in installation. Is there a write up anywhere
> from
> A A someone who did the conversion ?
> A A 2. Brake rebuild kit. Sources, pitfalls ?
> A A Thanks,
> A A Konrad
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Hi Konrad,
There are 2 kits we sell that give the BIGGEST bang for the buck. They
are an add-on Caliper to the rear that retains the stock Caliper as a
parking brake. This kit is $499.95.
Most customers tell me the improvement is unbelievable. This is because
the stock rear brakes are completely undersized for the Pantera,
especially for a car with wider rear tires. This kit also requires the
removal of the stock proportioning valve. The removal of the valve
increases the pressure to the front brakes giving you a free upgrade to
the fronts at the same time. You might think to simply remove the
proportioning valve now for a free upgrade. Some have done this but in
my opinion it is a very bad idea because it essentially disables the
small amount of brake the stock rears do provide. This is because the
increased performance from the front caused the rears to not get enough
pressure. This subject could be talked about a lot more but I will
leave it there for now...
The other inexpensive kit we sell, for $995.00, is 4 Wilwood Calipers
over stock rotors. This is another very popular kit. The main advantage
for doing the fronts is the weight savings, the availability of
multiple brake pad compounds, the availability of re-build parts in the
future and the ability to build on the investment with compatibility to
future upgrades, like bigger rotors, etc...
The stock e-brake it retained for both of these kits. If it works today
it can be left as your e-brake. BUT, it is heaving and ugly (if that
matters to you). There are many options for an e-brake available. IPSCO
makes a bolt on e-brake that works very well. Wilwood makes several
cable actuated brakes that would work well and then there is the stock
unit.
I will be coming out with a new e-brake shortly that I will be adding
to my existing kits for those that want to replace the ugly stock unit
with a more modern unit that isn't too expensive. More to come on that
later.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Take care, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
951-461-2190
[1]http://www.saccrestorations.net
From: Konrad Szwab [mailto:kszwab at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:47 PM
To: Scott Bell
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Hey Scott,
Could you please be so kind to describe a bit
[2]http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stoc
k-rotors/
My concerns:
1. I am cheap (yeah, I know, I should not be a Pantera owner, but it is
an imperfect world)
2. I am trying not to get killed
3. If I purchase this kit, will I lose the e-brake ? (some Toyota
loving ass will fail the car at inspections)
4. If I have to keep the stock calipers for e-brake, can I buy just a
front kit ? (#1 and #3 come to mind)
Thanks,
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Scott Bell
<[3]scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
Michael,
Where are you buying your Wilwood brakes from. 6K is INSANE!!!
Please check-out some of our offerings. What is listed here is not all
the kits we offer.
SACC Restorations has the wideset range of brake products available for
the Pantera at the best prices.
Check some of them out at:
[4]http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
Take care, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
[5]951-461-2190
[6]http://www.saccrestorations.net
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Shortt
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:21 AM
To: Konrad Szwab
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection system and brakes question
Yes, fuel injection will weaken the lope lope sound.
Probably closer to 6k for Wilwood.
Precision Proformance has a nice upgrade in the 3300 range.
Yes, engine gets removed for gas tank replacement.
Michael Shortt
On Nov 3, 2015 11:12 AM, "Konrad Szwab" <[8]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the advice Michael. I am quite dead set for a fuel
> injection system but would entertain the idea of a new brake
system.
> Was the Wilwood in the $3k range ?
> The mention of the rumble is worrying me. Are you saying that the
sound
> would be weakened by the injection system ? I thought that was
mostly
> the exhaust. It is important to maintain the sound, I enjoy
listening
> to it and it has the added satisfaction factor of pissing off my
Toyota
> driving neighbors.
> Also I would need to do the safety wiring of the transaxle and
probably
> replace the always smelling gas tank (presume a crack in the neck
of
> the tank) and probably replace the radiator.
> Does replacement of the gas tank require the engine removal ?
> I need to seriously work on the car to prevent it from getting me
> killed so new brakes are a definite priority.
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Michael Shortt
> <[1][9]michaelsavga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Konrad,A
> I would throw money at the brakes and buy a whole new system, (
> Wilwood, Brembo, Porsche Turbo )
> and go with a new carb A ( QFT is awesome ) if I was redoing a
car, you
> will get far more enjoyment outA
> of better brakes and maintain the rumble of the 351 Cleveland for
the
> total Pantera experience.
> Michael Shortt
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Konrad Szwab
<[2][10]kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> A A Now that I have a bit of time to try to resurrect my poor
'73A
> Pantera,
> A A I would like to ask for recommendations/sources for the
> following:
> A A 1. Fuel injection system for a '73 Cleveland. Recommended
model
> and
> A A sources, pitfalls in installation. Is there a write up
anywhere
> from
> A A someone who did the conversion ?
> A A 2. Brake rebuild kit. Sources, pitfalls ?
> A A Thanks,
> A A Konrad
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References
1. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
2. http://www.saccrestorations.net/pantera-caliper-upgrade-kit-for-stock-rotors/
3. mailto:scott at saccrestorations.net
4. http://www.saccrestorations.net/brake-kits-1/
5. tel:951-461-2190
6. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com
8. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
9. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
10. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
11. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
12. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
13. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
14. mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com
15. mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com
16. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
17. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
18. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
19. http://www.michaelshortt.com/
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