[DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
Tomas Gunnarsson
guson at home.se
Tue May 19 14:48:53 EDT 2015
The Ford unit hat is small enough to pass through the restrictor plate hole. It must be as it's secured to the moving part of the thermostat. The Jag unit has a spring suspended plate that's supposed to cover the hole excessively like when you put your hand over the neck of a bottle.
Tomas
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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
Hmm. Looking at the photos the height looks all wrong, as well as the size and shape of the hat. Maybe this alternative might work? I would want to test-fit one on a bare block to be sure.
Check out the images and part numbers here. This is what the Ford units look like. I actually had an original 1972 Ford unit in my hands a few months back when i was helping a guy change it out (it no longer worked) and meant to keep it for reference but it went in the trash instead. :(
Mike
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On May 19, 2015, at 13:27, "Stephen" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
> Well heck, tried to attach pictures to the original posting - I think they are there, but here they are again.
>
> There was a time that O'Reilly's listed this thermostat for the 351C - back in 2008 to be more specific.
>
> Stephen Nelson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 11:01 AM
> To: Tomas Gunnarsson
> Cc: Stephen; detomaso at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
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> Fwiw I just looked at the image on the website and it shows a non-351C unit, no hat. Mifht be just a generic stock image? The application chart lists a bunch of weird Ford Diesel engines, Mazda, Isuzu etc. and no 351C. I know of no other engine besides the C/M family of Fords that use our thermostat.
>
> I think this is a swing and a miss? Stephen--do you actually have photos of this thing?
>
> I have found the various Stant 351C units at O'Reilly easily enough, armed in advance with the proper part numbers thanks to Garth Roderick's excellent research. I strongly going to his website and following the trail he blazed so well...I fear you may be in the wilderness, and few things suck as much as an overheating Pantera due to an improper thermostat. :(
>
> Mike
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> Mike
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 19, 2015, at 12:18, "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Stephen, this is excellent info! I went to O'Reilley's site and they list a number of veicles for which this is a match. Among them is a Volvo model which should make it easy to find a local supplier here in Sweden.
>>
>> Tomas
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>> To: "'Tomas Gunnarsson'" <guson at home.se>
>> Cc: <detomaso at poca.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
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>>
>> Funny story that - went to a number of auto parts houses, all came up
>> with standard thermostats (with no blocking plate) for '73 mustang
>> 351C. Then I recalled that I had gotten a thermostat for my '70 XKE a
>> few years ago from O'Reilly's - and that it is the same as for the
>> Stangs. So, off to my spares collection and found a spare thermostat
>> that I bought in 2008. In as much as O'Reilly's didn't list for the
>> Jag I had asked for a thermostat for a '73 Mustang. Funniest part is
>> that I then went back to O'Reilly's with the part number and bought 2
>> more for spares. Also checked with them - there are lots more at other locations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Murray 3398
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>>
>>
>> Interestingly, the three I have all have different actuators, but
>> overall the same dimensions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tomas Gunnarsson [mailto:guson at home.se]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:09 AM
>> To: steve at snclocks.com
>> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
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>>
>>
>> Stephen,
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>>
>> What brand thermostat are you running?
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>>
>> Tomas
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>> From: Stephen [steve at snclocks.com]
>> Sent: 19/5/2015 6:03:18 AM
>> To: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
>>
>> Interestingly thermodynamics suggests the higher the engine
>> temperature (within limits) the higher the efficiency. And, as pointed
>> out, less risk of washing oil off the walls of the cylinders. I'm
>> running a 190 F thermostat with spring-loaded plate to block off the
>> bypass when the thermostat is open.
>>
>> Stephen Nelson
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
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>> They claim that the metal of the cylinder walls wear less at higher
>> temperatures starting at around 170°. I have no printed reference.
>> This is just from my memory. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no
>> tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
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>> From: Rob Pulsifer via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com
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>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
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>> I am currently running a 160 degree thermostat, the engine will hold
>> that temperature while on the hwy. I drove over 50 miles, when I
>> stopped I found that I had left the cap of the swirl tank. The engine
>> didn't over heat, only loss 2 cups of water. The car came stock with a
>> 160 degree thermostat. I now understand that the 180 degree thermostat
>> is better. Outside of the temperature will be more constant, I really
>> don't see the advantage of a 180 degree thermostat.
>>
>> Robert Pulsifer
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>> Folks,Noticed oil leaking from front Alden coil overaluminum shock.
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>> From: [1]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com> Folks, Noticed
>> oil leaking from front Alden coil over aluminum shock.
>> Purchased 3/200 5. Although likely only
>> 2000 miles on car since then,
>> they leak!!! Anyone know of a rebuild kit or if rebuilding a shock by
>> yourself is doable? Alden is in CA, and it would cost more to ship and
>> pay rebuild charge than buy a new Shoc k likely!!! Also any hints in
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>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
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>>> Pretty cool:
>>> [1]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-te
>>> st
>> -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm
>> =
>>> 1
>>> NOT combustion, makes electricity, does not burn the hydrogen, uses >
>> hydrogen cell technology:
>>> [2]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segment
>>> _F
>> CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
>>> Maybe the end of battery powered cars?
>> batteries are generally terrible
>>> for the environment, so this seems a lot better. Maybe weighs a lot >
>> less, doesn't need hours to charge.
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> References
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>>> 1.
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-test-d
>> rove-t he-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech
>> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-test-
>> drove-
>> the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm=1>
>> &wpmm=1
>>> 2.
>> http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segment_FCV
>> |Hydro gen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
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>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
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>> A A Pretty cool:
>> A
>> A [1][5]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11
>> /we-test
>> A
>> A
>> -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&
>> wpmm=
>> A A 1
>> A A NOT combustion, makes
>> electricity, does not burn the hydrogen, uses A A hydrogen cell
>> technology:
>> A
>> A [2][6]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|S
>> egment_F
>> A A
>> CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
>> A A Maybe the end of battery
>> powered cars? batteries are generally
>> terrible
>> A A for the environment, so
>> this seems a lot better.A Maybe weighs a lot A A less, doesn't need
>> hours to charge.
>> A A Ken
>> References
>> A A 1.
>> [7]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-t
>>
>> est-drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech
>> &wpmm=1
>> A A 2.
>> [8]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segmen
>>
>> t_FCV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
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>> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-test-
>> drove-
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>> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:07:38 -0400
>> From: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com <mailto:panteratime at aol.com> >
>> To: detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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>> Folks,
>> Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1 75-90. Synthetic. Should I
>> still use that or better to go with conventional oil? recommendations?
>> thanks
>> -------------- next part -------------- Folks,
>>
>> Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1 75-90. Synthetic. Should I
>> still use that or better to go with conventional oil?
>> recommendations? thanks
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:42:56 -0700
>> From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com> >
>> To: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com <mailto:panteratime at aol.com> >
>> Cc: "detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com> "
>> <detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com> >
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
>> Message-ID: <77E2AF59-616B-4C18-B6AC-286D23786B0A at mac.com
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>> 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
>>
>> Ed
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>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
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>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Last time I changed ZF oil I used
>> Mobil 1 75-90. Synthetic.
>> Should
>>> I still use that or better to go with conventional oil?
>>> recommendations? thanks
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>> Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:36:17 -0400
>> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com <mailto:pantdino at aol.com> >
>> To: panteratime at aol.com <mailto:panteratime at aol.com> ,
>> detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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>>
>> RedLine 75-90 NS (synthetic)
>>
>> I get mine on Amazon, usually with free shipping
>>
>> Here's Les Gray's email from a while ago:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Red Line oil NSdesignation means that in this particular oil there
>> is NO additive added to reduce the clutch chatter in most limited slip
>> differentials.
>> Normally this additive is a good thing and almost mandatory in cars
>> like the Corvette which has a fairly high degree of limited slip lock up.
>> Our cars have a two issues with
>> these extra slipperyadditives. Number
>> one is our diff uses a rather low limited slip lock up so this extra
>> slip actually decreases what little lock up we have. Number two is
>> this additivewill inhibit our synchro rings abili
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