[DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat

B Hower b.hower3400 at yahoo.com
Mon May 18 20:58:23 EDT 2015


They claim that the metal of the cylinder walls wear less at higher temperatures starting at around 170°. I have no printed reference. This is just from my memory. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )

 

     From: Rob Pulsifer via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 To: detomaso at poca.com 
 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:27 PM
 Subject: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
   
I am currently running a 160 degree thermostat, the engine will hold that temperature while on the hwy.  I drove over 50 miles, when I stopped I found that I had left the cap of the swirl tank.  The engine didn't over heat, only loss 2 cups of water.  The car came stock with a 160 degree thermostat.  I now understand that the 180 degree thermostat is better.  Outside of the temperature will be more constant, I really don't see the advantage of a 180 degree thermostat.

Robert Pulsifer
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 Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:04:21 -0400
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 Many Alden shocks leak from the simple o-ring that seals-
 sort of- the external damping adjustment near the bottom,
 not at the shock rod (which is much more serious). Hall used
 to repair them when they sold the things. Who did you buy it
 from?
  
 
  
 
  
 
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  Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
  From:detomaso at poca.com
 Folks,Noticed oil leaking from front Alden coil overaluminum
 shock.   Purchased
 3/2005.   Although likely only 2000 miles on
 carsince then, they leak!!!   Anyone know of
 a rebuild kit or if rebuilding  ashock by yourself is
 doable?   Alden isin CA, and it would cost
 more to shipand pay rebuild charge than buy a new Shock
 likely!!!Also any hints in frontshock
 removal?Thanks!!!! 
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    Many Alden shocks leak from the simple
 o-ring that seals- sort of- the
    external damping adjustment near the
 bottom, not at the shock rod
    (which is much more serious). Hall used to
 repair them when they sold
    the things. Who did you buy it from?
 
    -----Original Message-----
    Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
     From: [1]detomaso at poca.com
    Folks, Noticed oil leaking from front
 Alden coil over aluminum shock.
    Purchased 3/200 5. Although likely only
 2000 miles on car since then,
    they leak!!! Anyone know of a rebuild kit
 or if rebuilding a shock by
    yourself is doable? Alden is in CA, and it
 would cost more to ship and
    pay rebuild charge than buy a new Shoc k
 likely!!! Also any hints in
    front shock removal? Thanks!!!!
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 Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:11:58 -0400
 From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
 To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
 Cc: DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPT Hydrogen powered Toyota
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 It's not a party until somebody gets hurt!
 [image: Inline image 1]
 
 Rob DuMoulin
 904.476.8744
 rob at dumoulins.net
 www.kbsi.co
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
 
 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
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 wrote:
 
 >     Pretty cool:
 >    [1]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-test
 >   
 -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm=
 >    1
 >    NOT combustion, makes electricity, does
 not burn the hydrogen, uses
 >    hydrogen cell technology:
 >    [2]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segment_F
 >   
 CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
 >    Maybe the end of battery powered cars?
 batteries are generally terrible
 >    for the environment, so this seems a lot
 better.  Maybe weighs a lot
 >    less, doesn't need hours to charge.
 >    Ken
 >
 > References
 >
 >    1.
 > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-test-drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm=1
 >    2.
 > http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segment_FCV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
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    It's not a party until somebody gets
 hurt!
    Inline image 1
 
    Rob DuMoulin
    904.476.8744
    [1]rob at dumoulins.net
    [2]www.kbsi.co
    [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
    On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green
 via DeTomaso
    <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
 wrote:
 
      A  A  Pretty cool:
      A
      A [1][5]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11
      /we-test
      A
      A
 -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&
      wpmm=
      A  A 1
      A  A NOT combustion, makes
 electricity, does not burn the hydrogen,
      uses
      A  A hydrogen cell
 technology:
      A
      A [2][6]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|S
      egment_F
      A  A
 CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
      A  A Maybe the end of battery
 powered cars? batteries are generally
      terrible
      A  A for the environment, so
 this seems a lot better.A  Maybe weighs
      a lot
      A  A less, doesn't need hours
 to charge.
      A  A Ken
      References
      A  A 1.
      [7]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-t
  
    est-drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech
      &wpmm=1
      A  A 2.
      [8]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segmen
  
    t_FCV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
  
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 Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:07:38 -0400
 From: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
 To: detomaso at poca.com
 Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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 Folks,
 Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
 75-90.   Synthetic.    Should I
 still use that or better to go with conventional
 oil?   recommendations?  thanks 
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    Folks,
 
    Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
 75-90.   Synthetic.    Should
    I still use that or better to go with
 conventional oil?
    recommendations?  thanks
 
 ------------------------------
 
 Message: 4
 Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:42:56 -0700
 From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
 To: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
 Cc: "detomaso at poca.com"
 <detomaso at poca.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 Message-ID: <77E2AF59-616B-4C18-B6AC-286D23786B0A at mac.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
 
 Ed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
 <detomaso at poca.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 >   Folks,
 > 
 >   Last time I changed ZF oil I used
 Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.   
 Should
 >   I still use that or better to go with
 conventional oil?
 >   recommendations?  thanks
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 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:36:17 -0400
 From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
 To: panteratime at aol.com,
 detomaso at poca.com
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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 RedLine 75-90 NS (synthetic)
 
 I get mine on Amazon, usually with free shipping
  
 Here's Les Gray's email from a while ago:
  
 
 
  
  
 The Red Line oil NSdesignation means that in this particular
 oil there is NO 
 additive added to reduce the clutch chatter in most limited
 slip differentials.
 Normally this additive is a good thing and almost mandatory
 in cars like the 
 Corvette which has a fairly high degree of limited slip lock
 up. 
      Our cars have a two issues with
 these extra slipperyadditives. Number 
 one is our diff uses a rather low limited slip lock up so
 this extra slip 
 actually decreases what little lock up we have. Number two
 is this additivewill 
 inhibit our synchro rings ability to do its job and in
 extreme cases will burn 
 up the synchro rings and the towers on the gears costing big
 bucks. 
     I've rebuilt ZF's since the late 1970's and
 have replaceddozens of synchro 
 rings & gear sets due to the use of these additives. 
   As Jack DeRyke says "your mileage may vary" !!!!
     
 
 Jim Oddie
  
 
  
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:07 pm
 Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 
 
 Folks,
 
    Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
 75-90.   Synthetic.   
 Should
    I still use that or better to go with
 conventional oil?
   
 recommendations?  thanks
 
  
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    RedLine 75-90 NS (synthetic)
 
 
 
    I get mine on Amazon, usually with free
 shipping
 
 
 
    Here's Les Gray's email from a while ago:
 
 
 
 
 
 
    The Red Line oil NS designation means that
 in this particular oil there
    is NO
    additive added to reduce the clutch
 chatter in most limited slip
    differentials.
    Normally this additive is a good thing and
 almost mandatory in cars
    like the
    Corvette which has a fairly high degree of
 limited slip lock up.
         Our cars have a two issues with
 these extra slippery additives.
    Number
    one is our diff uses a rather low limited
 slip lock up so this extra
    slip
    actually decreases what little lock up we
 have. Number two is this
    additive will
    inhibit our synchro rings ability to do
 its job and in extreme cases
    will burn
    up the synchro rings and the towers on the
 gears costing big bucks.
        I've rebuilt ZF's since the
 late 1970's and have replaced dozens of
    synchro
    rings & gear sets due to the use of
 these additives.
      As Jack DeRyke says "your mileage
 may vary" !!!!
 
    Jim Oddie
 
 
 
 
 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Panteratime via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
    To: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
    Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:07 pm
    Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 Folks,
 
    Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
 75-90.   Synthetic.
 Should
    I still use that or better to go with
 conventional oil?
 
 recommendations?  thanks
 
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 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:40:57 -0400
 From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
 To: edducati at mac.com, panteratime at aol.com
 Cc: detomaso at poca.com
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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 "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF".
 
 
 Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
  
 IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should probably be GL-4 (NOT
 GL-4 -GL-5) and not have any limited slip additive. 
 GL-5 oil has sulfur additives that harm yellow metals like
 brass, which trannies / synchro rings have.
  
  
 Jim
  
  
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
 To: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
 Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 
 
 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
 
 Ed 
 
 Sent from my
 iPhone 6 Plus
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
 <detomaso at poca.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 >   Folks,
 > 
 >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
 used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.   
 Should
 >   I still use that or better to go
 with conventional oil?
 >   recommendations?  thanks
 >
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    "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth
 in the ZF".
 
 
 
    Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
 
 
 
    IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should
 probably be GL-4 (NOT GL-4 -GL-5)
    and not have any limited slip
 additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives
    that harm yellow metals like brass, which
 trannies / synchro
    rings have.
 
 
 
 
 
    Jim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
    To: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
    Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
    Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
 
 Ed
 
 Sent from my
 iPhone 6 Plus
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
 <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
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 >
 >   Folks,
 >
 >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
 used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.   
 Should
 >   I still use that or better to go
 with conventional oil?
 >   recommendations?  thanks
 >
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 Message: 7
 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 00:55:06 -0700
 From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
 To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
 Cc: panteratime at aol.com,
 "detomaso at poca.com"
 <detomaso at poca.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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 Castrol non synthetic 80W90 Hypoy Gear Oil is rated API GL-5
 LS which has friction modifying additives and supposed to be
 recommended by RBT.
 
 Although, I understand it depends whether you have brass or
 cast iron synchros. If you have the brass synchos then I
 think you have to use the Redline 75/90 NS?
 
 Ed
 
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 23:40, Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 > "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF".
 >  
 > Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
 >  
 > IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should probably be GL-4
 (NOT GL-4 -GL-5) and not have any limited slip
 additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives that harm
 yellow metals like brass, which trannies / synchro rings
 have.
 >  
 >  
 > Jim
 >  
 >  
 >  
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
 > To: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>
 > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
 > Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 > 
 > 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
 > 
 > Ed 
 > 
 > Sent from my
 > iPhone 6 Plus
 > 
 > > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via
 DeTomaso
 > <detomaso at poca.com
 <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
 wrote:
 > > 
 > >   Folks,
 > > 
 > >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
 > used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic. 
   Should
 > >   I still use that or better to go
 > with conventional oil?
 > >   recommendations?  thanks
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    Castrol non synthetic 80W90 Hypoy Gear Oil
 is rated API GL-5 LS which
    has friction modifying additives and
 supposed to be recommended by RBT.
 
    Although, I understand it depends whether
 you have brass or cast
    iron synchros. If you have the brass
 synchos then I think you have to
    use the Redline 75/90 NS?
    Ed
 
    On May 16, 2015, at 23:40, Pantdino
 <[1]pantdino at aol.com>
 wrote:
 
    "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth
 in the ZF".
 
    Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
 
    IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should
 probably be GL-4 (NOT GL-4 -GL-5)
    and not have any limited slip
 additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives
    that harm yellow metals like brass, which
 trannies / synchro
    rings have.
 
 
    Jim
 
 
 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com>
    To: Panteratime <[3]panteratime at aol.com>
    Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso at poca.com>
    Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
 
 Ed
 
 Sent from my
 iPhone 6 Plus
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
 <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
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 >
 >   Folks,
 >
 >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
 used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.   
 Should
 >   I still use that or better to go
 with conventional oil?
 >   recommendations?  thanks
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 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:13:38 -0700
 From: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
 To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
 Cc: Panteratime <panteratime at aol.com>,
 "detomaso at poca.com"
     <detomaso at poca.com>
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
 Message-ID: <CEA0A8CD-E13D-418E-B9DC-A636DDBC9B2D at mac.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Yes, they rebuilt all 4 of my shocks for free, plus replaced
 the bent shafts inside of each shocks. The car sat for 20
 plus years and was never driven so at some point the shocks
 seized up. So when I started driving it, all the shafts bent
 because there was no damping action. Drove it for 3000 miles
 that way. I thought it handled funny. hahaha
 
 
 > On May 16, 2015, at 08:29, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 >   Sounds like a standard Alden shock to
 me..... Your best bet is to speak
 >   with and arrange to ship them back to
 Alden, their repair is usually
 >   free.
 >   Julian
 >   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:15:16 -0400
 >   To: detomaso at poca.com
 >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock
 Repair
 >   From: detomaso at poca.com
 > 
 > Folks,
 > Noticed oil leaking from front Alden coil over aluminum
 shock.   Purchased 3/200
 > 5.   Although likely only 2000 miles on
 car since then, they leak!!!   Anyone kn
 > ow of a rebuild kit or if rebuilding  a shock by
 yourself is doable?   Alden is
 > in CA, and it would cost more to ship and pay rebuild
 charge than buy a new Shoc
 > k likely!!!
 > Also any hints in front shock removal?
 > Thanks!!!!
 > 
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 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:48:07 -0500
 From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
 To: detomaso at poca.com
 Subject: [DeTomaso] Random fun rally pics
 Message-ID: <8A2DCCD1-7232-43E0-8175-3B00061A151D at aol.com>
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 Guys,
 
 A couple of pics from the track yesterday. Probably more
 than 30 Panteras present, most of which were on the track.
 Tom Upton's monster hauler served as the base of
 operations:
 
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 Kirby Schrader dropped a tiny bolt from his webers into an
 impossible cavity in the engine and spent more than an hour
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 He got it eventually! Cars back on track today but many of
 us are going to the Gullo museum instead. 
 
 Where are YOUR photos?
 
 Mike
 
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   They claim that the metal of the cylinder walls wear less at higher
   temperatures starting at around 170ADEG. I have no printed reference.
   This is just from my memory.

   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )
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   From: Rob Pulsifer via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
   To: detomaso at poca.com
   Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:27 PM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] 160 degree thermostat vs 180 degree thermostat
   I am currently running a 160 degree thermostat, the engine will hold
   that temperature while on the hwy.  I drove over 50 miles, when I
   stopped I found that I had left the cap of the swirl tank.  The engine
   didn't over heat, only loss 2 cups of water.  The car came stock with a
   160 degree thermostat.  I now understand that the 180 degree thermostat
   is better.  Outside of the temperature will be more constant, I really
   don't see the advantage of a 180 degree thermostat.
   Robert Pulsifer
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      1. Re: Alden Shock Repair ([8]jderyke at aol.com)
      2. Re: NPT Hydrogen powered Toyota (Rob
   Dumoulin)
      3. ZF oil choice (Panteratime)
      4. Re: ZF oil choice (Ed Mendez)
      5. Re: ZF oil choice (Pantdino)
      6. Re: ZF oil choice (Pantdino)
      7. Re: ZF oil choice (Ed Mendez)
      8. Re: Alden Shock Repair (Ed Mendez)
      9. Random fun rally pics (Mike Drew)
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   Message: 1
   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 15:04:21 -0400
   From: [9]jderyke at aol.com
   To: [10]julian_kift at hotmail.com,
   [11]panteratime at aol.com,
   [12]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
   Message-ID: <[13]14d5e1ce35c-58aa-2c158 at webprd-m65.mail.aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Many Alden shocks leak from the simple o-ring that seals-
   sort of- the external damping adjustment near the bottom,
   not at the shock rod (which is much more serious). Hall used
   to repair them when they sold the things. Who did you buy it
   from?



   -----Original Message-----
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
     From:[14]detomaso at poca.com
   Folks,Noticed oil leaking from front Alden coil overaluminum
   shock.   Purchased
   3/2005.   Although likely only 2000 miles on
   carsince then, they leak!!!   Anyone know of
   a rebuild kit or if rebuilding  ashock by yourself is
   doable?   Alden isin CA, and it would cost
   more to shipand pay rebuild charge than buy a new Shock
   likely!!!Also any hints in frontshock
   removal?Thanks!!!!
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      Many Alden shocks leak from the simple
   o-ring that seals- sort of- the
      external damping adjustment near the
   bottom, not at the shock rod
      (which is much more serious). Hall used to
   repair them when they sold
      the things. Who did you buy it from?
      -----Original Message-----
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
       From: [1][19]detomaso at poca.com
      Folks, Noticed oil leaking from front
   Alden coil over aluminum shock.
      Purchased 3/200 5. Although likely only
   2000 miles on car since then,
      they leak!!! Anyone know of a rebuild kit
   or if rebuilding a shock by
      yourself is doable? Alden is in CA, and it
   would cost more to ship and
      pay rebuild charge than buy a new Shoc k
   likely!!! Also any hints in
      front shock removal? Thanks!!!!
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   Message: 2
   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:11:58 -0400
   From: Rob Dumoulin <[30]rob at dumoulins.net>
   To: Ken Green <[31]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso <[32]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPT Hydrogen powered Toyota
   Message-ID:

   <CAEr4y_uA3RDp1scuzHPVLq1yZBzGZQ3NBn6WzLUHzH1UNVU+[33]uA at mail.gmail.com
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   It's not a party until somebody gets hurt!
   [image: Inline image 1]
   Rob DuMoulin
   904.476.8744
   [34]rob at dumoulins.net
   www.kbsi.co
   [35]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <[36]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >     Pretty cool:
   >
   [1][37]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-
   test
   >
   -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm=
   >    1
   >    NOT combustion, makes electricity, does
   not burn the hydrogen, uses
   >    hydrogen cell technology:
   >
   [2][38]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segme
   nt_F
   >
   CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
   >    Maybe the end of battery powered cars?
   batteries are generally terrible
   >    for the environment, so this seems a lot
   better.  Maybe weighs a lot
   >    less, doesn't need hours to charge.
   >    Ken
   >
   > References
   >
   >    1.
   >
   [39]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-tes
   t-drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&wpmm
   =1
   >    2.
   >
   [40]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segment_
   FCV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
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      It's not a party until somebody gets
   hurt!
      Inline image 1
      Rob DuMoulin
      904.476.8744
      [1][43]rob at dumoulins.net
      [2]www.kbsi.co
      [3][44]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
      On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Ken Green
   via DeTomaso
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   wrote:
        A  A  Pretty cool:
        A
        A
   [1][5][46]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11
        /we-test
        A
        A
   -drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech&
        wpmm=
        A  A 1
        A  A NOT combustion, makes
   electricity, does not burn the hydrogen,
        uses
        A  A hydrogen cell
   technology:
        A
        A
   [2][6][47]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|S
        egment_F
        A  A
   CV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP
        A  A Maybe the end of battery
   powered cars? batteries are generally
        terrible
        A  A for the environment, so
   this seems a lot better.A  Maybe weighs
        a lot
        A  A less, doesn't need hours
   to charge.
        A  A Ken
        References
        A  A 1.

   [7][48]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/05/11/we-
   t

      est-drove-the-toyota-future-car-that-elon-musk-hates/?wpisrc=nl_tech
        &wpmm=1
        A  A 2.

   [8][49]http://www.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html?srchid=sem|google|FCV|Segme
   n

      t_FCV|Hydrogen_Technology|FCV+Copy+Refresh+4.22|Mirai_MLP

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   Message: 3
   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 22:07:38 -0400
   From: Panteratime <[63]panteratime at aol.com>
   To: [64]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Message-ID: <[65]14d5fa06c6f-6102-2d0f2 at webprd-a102.mail.aol.com>
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   Folks,
   Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
   75-90.   Synthetic.    Should I
   still use that or better to go with conventional
   oil?   recommendations?  thanks
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      Folks,
      Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
   75-90.   Synthetic.    Should
      I still use that or better to go with
   conventional oil?
      recommendations?  thanks
   ------------------------------
   Message: 4
   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 19:42:56 -0700
   From: Ed Mendez <[66]edducati at mac.com>
   To: Panteratime <[67]panteratime at aol.com>
   Cc: "[68]detomaso at poca.com"
   <[69]detomaso at poca.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Message-ID: <[70]77E2AF59-616B-4C18-B6AC-286D23786B0A at mac.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
   Ed
   Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
   <[71]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   Folks,
   >
   >   Last time I changed ZF oil I used
   Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
   >   I still use that or better to go with
   conventional oil?
   >   recommendations?  thanks
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   Message: 5
   Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:36:17 -0400
   From: Pantdino <[74]pantdino at aol.com>
   To: [75]panteratime at aol.com,
   [76]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
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   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   RedLine 75-90 NS (synthetic)
   I get mine on Amazon, usually with free shipping

   Here's Les Gray's email from a while ago:



   The Red Line oil NSdesignation means that in this particular
   oil there is NO
   additive added to reduce the clutch chatter in most limited
   slip differentials.
   Normally this additive is a good thing and almost mandatory
   in cars like the
   Corvette which has a fairly high degree of limited slip lock
   up.
        Our cars have a two issues with
   these extra slipperyadditives. Number
   one is our diff uses a rather low limited slip lock up so
   this extra slip
   actually decreases what little lock up we have. Number two
   is this additivewill
   inhibit our synchro rings ability to do its job and in
   extreme cases will burn
   up the synchro rings and the towers on the gears costing big
   bucks.
       I've rebuilt ZF's since the late 1970's and
   have replaceddozens of synchro
   rings & gear sets due to the use of these additives.
     As Jack DeRyke says "your mileage may vary" !!!!

   Jim Oddie



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Panteratime via DeTomaso <[78]detomaso at poca.com>
   To: detomaso <[79]detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:07 pm
   Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Folks,
      Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
   75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
      I still use that or better to go with
   conventional oil?

   recommendations?  thanks

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      RedLine 75-90 NS (synthetic)
      I get mine on Amazon, usually with free
   shipping
      Here's Les Gray's email from a while ago:
      The Red Line oil NS designation means that
   in this particular oil there
      is NO
      additive added to reduce the clutch
   chatter in most limited slip
      differentials.
      Normally this additive is a good thing and
   almost mandatory in cars
      like the
      Corvette which has a fairly high degree of
   limited slip lock up.
           Our cars have a two issues with
   these extra slippery additives.
      Number
      one is our diff uses a rather low limited
   slip lock up so this extra
      slip
      actually decreases what little lock up we
   have. Number two is this
      additive will
      inhibit our synchro rings ability to do
   its job and in extreme cases
      will burn
      up the synchro rings and the towers on the
   gears costing big bucks.
          I've rebuilt ZF's since the
   late 1970's and have replaced dozens of
      synchro
      rings & gear sets due to the use of
   these additives.
        As Jack DeRyke says "your mileage
   may vary" !!!!
      Jim Oddie
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Panteratime via DeTomaso <[82]detomaso at poca.com>
      To: detomaso <[83]detomaso at poca.com>
      Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:07 pm
      Subject: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Folks,
      Last time I changed ZF oil I used Mobil 1
   75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
      I still use that or better to go with
   conventional oil?
   recommendations?  thanks
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   Message: 6
   Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:40:57 -0400
   From: Pantdino <[88]pantdino at aol.com>
   To: [89]edducati at mac.com, [90]panteratime at aol.com
   Cc: [91]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Message-ID: <[92]14d609aa708-41df-36f92 at webstg-a04.mail.aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF".
   Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.

   IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should probably be GL-4 (NOT
   GL-4 -GL-5) and not have any limited slip additive.
   GL-5 oil has sulfur additives that harm yellow metals like
   brass, which trannies / synchro rings have.


   Jim



   -----Original Message-----
   From: Ed Mendez <[93]edducati at mac.com>
   To: Panteratime <[94]panteratime at aol.com>
   Cc: detomaso <[95]detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
   Ed
   Sent from my
   iPhone 6 Plus
   > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
   <[96]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   Folks,
   >
   >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
   used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
   >   I still use that or better to go
   with conventional oil?
   >   recommendations?  thanks
   >
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      "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth
   in the ZF".
      Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
      IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should
   probably be GL-4 (NOT GL-4 -GL-5)
      and not have any limited slip
   additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives
      that harm yellow metals like brass, which
   trannies / synchro
      rings have.
      Jim
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Ed Mendez <[101]edducati at mac.com>
      To: Panteratime <[102]panteratime at aol.com>
      Cc: detomaso <[103]detomaso at poca.com>
      Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
   Ed
   Sent from my
   iPhone 6 Plus
   > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
   <[1][104]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   Folks,
   >
   >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
   used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
   >   I still use that or better to go
   with conventional oil?
   >   recommendations?  thanks
   >
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   Message: 7
   Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 00:55:06 -0700
   From: Ed Mendez <[114]edducati at mac.com>
   To: Pantdino <[115]pantdino at aol.com>
   Cc: [116]panteratime at aol.com,
   "[117]detomaso at poca.com"
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   Message-ID: <[119]72A867F3-5BAD-461A-8647-EA0214946432 at mac.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   Castrol non synthetic 80W90 Hypoy Gear Oil is rated API GL-5
   LS which has friction modifying additives and supposed to be
   recommended by RBT.
   Although, I understand it depends whether you have brass or
   cast iron synchros. If you have the brass synchos then I
   think you have to use the Redline 75/90 NS?
   Ed
   > On May 16, 2015, at 23:40, Pantdino <[120]pantdino at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF".
   >
   > Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
   >
   > IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should probably be GL-4
   (NOT GL-4 -GL-5) and not have any limited slip
   additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives that harm
   yellow metals like brass, which trannies / synchro rings
   have.
   >
   >
   > Jim
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Ed Mendez <[121]edducati at mac.com>
   > To: Panteratime <[122]panteratime at aol.com>
   > Cc: detomaso <[123]detomaso at poca.com>
   > Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   >
   > 75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
   >
   > Ed
   >
   > Sent from my
   > iPhone 6 Plus
   >
   > > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via
   DeTomaso
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   > >   Folks,
   > >
   > >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
   > used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.
     Should
   > >   I still use that or better to go
   > with conventional oil?
   > >   recommendations?  thanks
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      Castrol non synthetic 80W90 Hypoy Gear Oil
   is rated API GL-5 LS which
      has friction modifying additives and
   supposed to be recommended by RBT.
      Although, I understand it depends whether
   you have brass or cast
      iron synchros. If you have the brass
   synchos then I think you have to
      use the Redline 75/90 NS?
      Ed
      On May 16, 2015, at 23:40, Pantdino
   <[1][134]pantdino at aol.com>
   wrote:
      "75-90 conventional don't recommend synth
   in the ZF".
      Sorry Ed, but I think that's nonsense.
      IF you do use dinosaur oil, it should
   probably be GL-4 (NOT GL-4 -GL-5)
      and not have any limited slip
   additive.  GL-5 oil has sulfur additives
      that harm yellow metals like brass, which
   trannies / synchro
      rings have.
      Jim
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Ed Mendez <[2][135]edducati at mac.com>
      To: Panteratime <[3][136]panteratime at aol.com>
      Cc: detomaso <[4][137]detomaso at poca.com>
      Sent: Sat, May 16, 2015 7:43 pm
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF oil choice
   75-90 conventional don't recommend synth in the ZF.
   Ed
   Sent from my
   iPhone 6 Plus
   > On May 16, 2015, at 19:07, Panteratime via DeTomaso
   <[5][138]detomaso at poca.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   Folks,
   >
   >   Last time I changed ZF oil I
   used Mobil 1 75-90.   Synthetic.
   Should
   >   I still use that or better to go
   with conventional oil?
   >   recommendations?  thanks
   >
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   Message: 8
   Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 02:13:38 -0700
   From: Ed Mendez <[152]edducati at mac.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[153]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: Panteratime <[154]panteratime at aol.com>,
   "[155]detomaso at poca.com"
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock Repair
   Message-ID: <[157]CEA0A8CD-E13D-418E-B9DC-A636DDBC9B2D at mac.com>
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   Yes, they rebuilt all 4 of my shocks for free, plus replaced
   the bent shafts inside of each shocks. The car sat for 20
   plus years and was never driven so at some point the shocks
   seized up. So when I started driving it, all the shafts bent
   because there was no damping action. Drove it for 3000 miles
   that way. I thought it handled funny. hahaha
   > On May 16, 2015, at 08:29, Julian Kift <[158]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >   Sounds like a standard Alden shock to
   me..... Your best bet is to speak
   >   with and arrange to ship them back to
   Alden, their repair is usually
   >   free.
   >   Julian
   >   Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 11:15:16 -0400
   >   To: [159]detomaso at poca.com
   >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Alden Shock
   Repair
   >   From: [160]detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > Folks,
   > Noticed oil leaking from front Alden coil over aluminum
   shock.   Purchased 3/200
   > 5.   Although likely only 2000 miles on
   car since then, they leak!!!   Anyone kn
   > ow of a rebuild kit or if rebuilding  a shock by
   yourself is doable?   Alden is
   > in CA, and it would cost more to ship and pay rebuild
   charge than buy a new Shoc
   > k likely!!!
   > Also any hints in front shock removal?
   > Thanks!!!!
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   Message: 9
   Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:48:07 -0500
   From: Mike Drew <[165]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: [166]detomaso at poca.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Random fun rally pics
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   Guys,
   A couple of pics from the track yesterday. Probably more
   than 30 Panteras present, most of which were on the track.
   Tom Upton's monster hauler served as the base of
   operations:
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   Kirby Schrader dropped a tiny bolt from his webers into an
   impossible cavity in the engine and spent more than an hour
   trying to get it out. He was not having fun here:
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   He got it eventually! Cars back on track today but many of
   us are going to the Gullo museum instead.
   Where are YOUR photos?
   Mike
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