[DeTomaso] Does anybody know anyone who can repair bent or cracked Magnesium wheels

Don Thomas don.thomas.ieee at gmail.com
Fri May 15 22:27:55 EDT 2015


Ed,

Call Steve Strope. I talked to him once about repairing a magnesium wheel,
and he knows a person that can weld, and refurbish a mag rim.

Call me if you need his number.

Cheers !

-dt



On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com
> wrote:

>    Yup- all that is true. The welding of bulk mag depends on its extremely
>    high thermal conduction wicking heat from the molten weld puddle to the
>    rest of the piece, and the use of expensive inert gasses over the
>    molten area to suppress ignition. That last is also how casting of mag
>    is done. For laughs, I once published an ad in the Newsletter from the
>    '50s for hot-rod cast-magnesium pistons! The company said they were so
>    light your flathead Ford could rev to the moon. They weren't in
>    business very long....
>    Bulk mag thermally expands so much, my certified welder friend says it
>    looks like the part is trying to crawl away from the TIG-torch. He
>    clamps parts down to a steel weld bench to stop most of this.
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
>    To: Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com>
>    Cc: Jack DeRyke <JDeRyke at aol.com>; detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
>    Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 8:17 am
>    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Does anybody know anyone who can repair bent or
>    cracked Magnesium wheels
>    I worked with magnesium in the lab when I was in college. The problem
>    with trying to weld it is when it gets
>    heated ti high temps it ignites. It is what is used in military night
>    time illumination flares. It burns extremely hat  and can't be put out
>    using conventional fire suppression means , It will burn in an
>    atmosphere of Nitrogen,Carbon Dioxide, and under water. It must be
>    covered with sand to deprive it of any atmosphere. It can burn at temps
>    as high as 5610 degrees F. So this is not something that you want to
>    fool around with.
>    Check this sight or j ust google welding and repairing  Campagnolo
>    magnesium wheel. Good Luck , Your going to need it!
>    Boyd
>    On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Ed Mendez <[1]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
>         Thank you Jack, I'll pass it on.
>         On OR, at 13:16, [1][2]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
>         Most shops that advertise the repair of alloy wheels are talking
>      about
>         aluminum and will not touch magnesium. Some -especially in CA-
>      are
>         worried about liability. A couple of the Pantera vendors (Larry
>      Stock's
>         shop is one) have it done by outside specialists. Welding,
>         heat-treating/annealing and maybe X-ray inspection should
>      accompany any
>         such repairs. It goes without saying that a U.S. certified welder
>         should be involved. Lots of people can TIG-weld including me, but
>      not
>         all (again including me) are competent to weld-repair a magnesium
>      road
>         or race wheel. The displayed wheel is from a Mangusta so once its
>         verified to actually be magnesium- some are aluminum- it will
>      likely be
>         worth the high cost of repair due to its rarity. I've seen
>      mistakes
>         made- someone once brought me a cracked magnesium formula car
>      wheel
>         that had been TIG-welded with aluminum, which destroyed any
>      chance of
>         repair. Others are simply un-fixable. Pro crew chiefs often will
>      not
>         touch a repaired wheel.
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Ed Mendez <[2][3]edducati at mac.com>
>         To: DeTomaso Forum <[3][4]detomaso at poca.com>
>         Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 11:25 pm
>         Subject: [DeTomaso] Does anybody know anyone who can repair bent
>      or
>         cracked Magnesium wheels
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   Ed,
   Call Steve Strope.A I talked to him once about repairing a magnesium
   wheel, and he knows a person that can weld, and refurbish a mag rim.
   Call me if you need his number.
   Cheers !
   -dt

   On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:

     A  A Yup- all that is true. The welding of bulk mag depends on its
     extremely
     A  A high thermal conduction wicking heat from the molten weld
     puddle to the
     A  A rest of the piece, and the use of expensive inert gasses over
     the
     A  A molten area to suppress ignition. That last is also how casting
     of mag
     A  A is done. For laughs, I once published an ad in the Newsletter
     from the
     A  A '50s for hot-rod cast-magnesium pistons! The company said they
     were so
     A  A light your flathead Ford could rev to the moon. They weren't in
     A  A business very long....
     A  A Bulk mag thermally expands so much, my certified welder friend
     says it
     A  A looks like the part is trying to crawl away from the TIG-torch.
     He
     A  A clamps parts down to a steel weld bench to stop most of this.
     A  A -----Original Message-----
     A  A From: Boyd Casey <[2]boyd411 at gmail.com>
     A  A To: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A Cc: Jack DeRyke <[4]JDeRyke at aol.com>; detomaso
     <[5]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 8:17 am
     A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Does anybody know anyone who can repair
     bent or
     A  A cracked Magnesium wheels
     A  A I worked with magnesium in the lab when I was in college. The
     problem
     A  A with trying to weld it is when it gets
     A  A heated ti high temps it ignites. It is what is used in military
     night
     A  A time illumination flares. It burns extremely hatA  and can't be
     put out
     A  A using conventional fire suppression means , It will burn in an
     A  A atmosphere of Nitrogen,Carbon Dioxide, and under water. It must
     be
     A  A covered with sand to deprive it of any atmosphere. It can burn
     at temps
     A  A as high as 5610 degrees F. So this is not something that you
     want to
     A  A fool around with.
     A  A Check this sight or j ust google welding and repairingA
     Campagnolo
     A  A magnesium wheel. Good Luck , Your going to need it!
     A  A Boyd
     A  A On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Ed Mendez
     <[1][6]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     A  A  A  A  Thank you Jack, I'll pass it on.
     A  A  A  A  On OR, at 13:16, [1][2][7]JDeRyke at aol.com wrote:
     A  A  A  A  Most shops that advertise the repair of alloy wheels are
     talking
     A  A  A about
     A  A  A  A  aluminum and will not touch magnesium. Some -especially
     in CA-
     A  A  A are
     A  A  A  A  worried about liability. A couple of the Pantera vendors
     (Larry
     A  A  A Stock's
     A  A  A  A  shop is one) have it done by outside specialists.
     Welding,
     A  A  A  A  heat-treating/annealing and maybe X-ray inspection
     should
     A  A  A accompany any
     A  A  A  A  such repairs. It goes without saying that a U.S.
     certified welder
     A  A  A  A  should be involved. Lots of people can TIG-weld
     including me, but
     A  A  A not
     A  A  A  A  all (again including me) are competent to weld-repair a
     magnesium
     A  A  A road
     A  A  A  A  or race wheel. The displayed wheel is from a Mangusta so
     once its
     A  A  A  A  verified to actually be magnesium- some are aluminum- it
     will
     A  A  A likely be
     A  A  A  A  worth the high cost of repair due to its rarity. I've
     seen
     A  A  A mistakes
     A  A  A  A  made- someone once brought me a cracked magnesium
     formula car
     A  A  A wheel
     A  A  A  A  that had been TIG-welded with aluminum, which destroyed
     any
     A  A  A chance of
     A  A  A  A  repair. Others are simply un-fixable. Pro crew chiefs
     often will
     A  A  A not
     A  A  A  A  touch a repaired wheel.
     A  A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
     A  A  A  A  From: Ed Mendez <[2][3][8]edducati at mac.com>
     A  A  A  A  To: DeTomaso Forum <[3][4][9]detomaso at poca.com>
     A  A  A  A  Sent: Tue, May 12, 2015 11:25 pm
     A  A  A  A  Subject: [DeTomaso] Does anybody know anyone who can
     repair bent
     A  A  A or
     A  A  A  A  cracked Magnesium wheels
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