[DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in China
Ed Mendez
edducati at mac.com
Thu May 14 02:10:06 EDT 2015
I don’t know call Steve and ask? 562-634-3434 Let us know, It’s what he told me.
:-)
> On ∨, at 14:11, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for Panteras in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive world wide distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain Kirk Evans and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
>
> Boyd
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
> Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso cars that were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and he owns the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I understand.
>
> Ed
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
>
> > On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com <mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in China. I saw
> > an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to China and
> > sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of the older ones
> > were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs (in
> > appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead of the older
> > cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European standards. I
> > have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one of our
> > vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch master
> > cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it was a very poor
> > copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an original. The
> > lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one) and it
> > wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts from the MC I
> > was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality I don't think
> > you would even be able to get it up to US federal standards (DOT & EPA)
> > so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that may be the
> > only place you will see them.
> > A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often. If DeTomaso
> > A production does ever come to fruition and they are manufactured in
> > China we will be able to get a first hand report on there quality from
> > Bob. A A
> > This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
> > <[1]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A A I don't think they were actually working.
> > A A Probably on unemployment until the new factory opened, but now
> > it never
> > A A will so all hope is lost for them.
> > A A Jim
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>>
> > A A To: Charles McCall <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>>
> > A A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4]DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>>
> > A A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in China
> > So what was the current workforce producing?A Just curious.
> > Dennis Valdez
> > On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall
> > <[1][5]charlesmccall at gmail.com <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I've read a few articles that implied the same - apparently the only
> > business
> > plan that was presented that involved maintaining the workforce and
> > production
> > in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that didn't come
> > through. This
> > implies that the other plans included delocalization.
> >>
> >> IMO, delocalization
> > to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand buying the
> > DeTomaso name for
> > a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain extent, it is
> > somewhat
> > philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known name. As Julian
> > (I think)
> > said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,A and while they may call the
> > shots the cars
> > are built in the same factories as before and are infused with
> > English culture.
> > Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
> >>
> >> Designing and
> > manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the car with
> > Chinese culture.
> > Not sure how many customers they can lure away from Corvette,
> > Ferrari,
> > Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It will have to
> > be very,
> > very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially defeats the
> > benefit gained
> > from buying an Italian name.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
> > [[2]mailto:[6]detomaso-bounces at poca.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com>] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin
> >> Sent: sA!bado, 9
> > de mayo de 2015 11:45
> >> To: DeTomaso Mail List
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
> > Detomasos to be built in China
> >>
> >> Or so the article states
> > [3][7]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?temp <http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?temp>
> > late=mobile02
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> > 8. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> > 9. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>
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> > 15. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
> > 16. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com <http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com>
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I don't know call Steve and ask? 562-634-3434 Let us know, It's what
he told me.
:-)
On OR, at 14:11, Boyd Casey <[1]boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote:
Even back in the 70's Ford only owned distribution rights for Panteras
in the USA. I would be very surprised if Steve had exclusive world wide
distribution of Pantera and Mangusta. And how do you explain Kirk Evans
and his import and distribution of the Pantera GT5S?
Boyd
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Ed Mendez <[2]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
Apparently this purchase was only for the newer DeTomaso cars that
were built, post Pantera. I talked with Steve Wilkinson and he owns
the DeTomaso name for Pantera and Mangusta, from what I understand.
Ed
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> On May 11, 2015, at 08:48, Boyd Casey <[3]boyd411 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Personally I would not consider purchasing a car made in China.
I saw
> an episode of "Top Gear" where the three Brits went to China and
> sampled a number of Cars manufactured in China. Some of the
older ones
> were a complete joke. The newer ones were all Knock offs (in
> appearance) and while the quality was light years ahead of the
older
> cars A but still seemed to fall short of U.S. or European
standards. I
> have had my share of ChineseA Pantera parts A sold by one of our
> vendors that were total crap A . One example was a clutch master
> cylinder. It was represented as "made in Italy" but it was a
very poor
> copy that appeared to be made from a sand casting of an
original. The
> lettering was not crisp and clear (like an authentic one) and it
> wouldn't work until I rebuilt it using some of the parts from
the MC I
> was replacing. So if that's any indication of the quality I
don't think
> you would even be able to get it up to US federal standards (DOT
& EPA)
> so if the new DeTomaso automobiles are made in China that may be
the
> only place you will see them.
> A Bob Levitt travels to China on business fairly often. If
DeTomaso
> A production does ever come to fruition and they are
manufactured in
> China we will be able to get a first hand report on there
quality from
> Bob. A A
> This is only speculation and my personal opinion.
> Boyd
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso
> <[1][4]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> A A I don't think they were actually working.
> A A Probably on unemployment until the new factory opened,
but now
> it never
> A A will so all hope is lost for them.
> A A Jim
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Carguy60 via DeTomaso <[2][5]detomaso at poca.com>
> A A To: Charles McCall <[3][6]charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> A A Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[4][7]DeTomaso at poca.com>
> A A Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 9:25 am
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Detomasos to be built in
China
> So what was the current workforce producing?A Just curious.
> Dennis Valdez
> On May 9, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Charles McCall
> <[1][5][8]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've read a few articles that implied the same - apparently
the only
> business
> plan that was presented that involved maintaining the
workforce and
> production
> in Italy was that presented by the Swiss, and that didn't come
> through. This
> implies that the other plans included delocalization.
>>
>> IMO, delocalization
> to China would be a huge mistake. I can understand buying the
> DeTomaso name for
> a million dollars, euros, whatever. To a certain extent, it is
> somewhat
> philosophical whose capital is behind a well-known name. As
Julian
> (I think)
> said, Jaguar is owned by Indians,A and while they may call
the
> shots the cars
> are built in the same factories as before and are infused with
> English culture.
> Therefore they maintain much of the value of the name.
>>
>> Designing and
> manufacturing a supercar in China will also infuse the car
with
> Chinese culture.
> Not sure how many customers they can lure away from Corvette,
> Ferrari,
> Lamborghini, etc to buy an all-Chinese car instead. It will
have to
> be very,
> very, very good to overcome that stigma and partially defeats
the
> benefit gained
> from buying an Italian name.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
> [[2]mailto:[6][9]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Dumoulin
>> Sent: sA!bado, 9
> de mayo de 2015 11:45
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] New
> Detomasos to be built in China
>>
>> Or so the article states
>
[3][7][10]http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150507/ANE/150509893?
temp
> late=mobile02
>>
>>
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