[DeTomaso] Gas Monkey

Fri May 1 08:37:48 EDT 2015

I watched a recently recorded episode of Gas Monkeys last night. This is
when Richard bought the Ring Brothers Pantera. He claims he got a steal and
the car should be worth $600k.

On Friday, May 1, 2015, John Donahue <demongusta at me.com> wrote:

> Ah yes, life is but a trade-off. Stiff and squeaky or softer and quiet,
> The older you get, the more you like the latter.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Mike Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > I have a set of the original style bushings, but as I'm running an offset
> > set in the front for more caster, and the shims are all forward, I'd lose
> > some of the caster by going back to the stock bushings.
> >
> > I am getting awfully tired of the squeaking . . . .
> >
> > Mike Thomas
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Mike Drew via
> > DeTomaso
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:12 PM
> > To: demongusta at me.com <javascript:;>; sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
> <javascript:;>
> > Cc: deTomaso at POCA.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [POCA Forum] A-ARM BUSHINGS (Pantera Technical)
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/29/15 12 34 27, demongusta at me.com <javascript:;>
> writes:
> >
> >
> >>      What is the main advantage of the Poly A-arm bushings? If they
> >> are
> >>>      replaced with the stock rubber, I assume you would not have the
> >>>      squeaking, correct.
> >>
> >
> >>>> Interesting--I never saw this original message, or John Donahue's
> > response, or Dennis' response to that; the only thing that came through
> is
> > John's
> > subsequent reply.   Is this something that bled over from a web-based
> forum
> > perhaps?
> >
> > As to the question above--the principal selling point of poly bushings is
> > that they offer less compliance (which is what bushings are for in the
> first
> >
> > place).   They are favored by racers and autocrossers (back in the day,
> race
> >
> > Cobras came with solid metal bushings, yow!).   The main advantage they
> > used to have over factory bushings was greatly reduced cost.
> >
> > Drawbacks are many, however.   As you mentioned, they can squeak
> something
> > awful if they aren't properly (and routinely) lubricated.   (People often
> > fail to lube the outside ends of the bushings, which is where most of the
> > squeaking happens).   Too, they can deliver a somewhat harsher ride, and
> > fail to
> > absorb road shocks as well, transmitting them through the body instead.
> >
> > Now MaseratiSource sells stock-style bushings at a very affordable price,
> > making them competitive with poly bushings.   I vastly prefer stock-style
> > bushings for a variety of reasons.
> >
> > Getting the old ones out is time-consuming and labor-intensive, but not
> > especially difficult.   Using a sawzall (you can use a hacksaw but it
> would
> > take forever), you cut the large end off the bushing.   Then you use a
> > just-large-enough deep well socket on one side, and a just-small-enough
> > socket on the other, put the whole affair in a vice and compress it; the
> > small socket should be small enough to fit inside the A-arm tube, and the
> > large one large enough to accept the bushing as it is pressed out of the
> > A-arm.
> >
> > My wife Lori changed all 16 of her bushings herself, once the process was
> > demonstrated, so you can definitely do it too! :>)
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
>
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   I watched a recently recorded episode of Gas Monkeys last night. This
   is when Richard bought the Ring Brothers Pantera. He claims he got a
   steal and the car should be worth $600k.

   On Friday, May 1, 2015, John Donahue <[1]demongusta at me.com> wrote:

     Ah yes, life is but a trade-off. Stiff and squeaky or softer and
     quiet, The older you get, the more you like the latter.
     > On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Mike Thomas
     <[2]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
     >
     > I have a set of the original style bushings, but as I'm running an
     offset
     > set in the front for more caster, and the shims are all forward,
     I'd lose
     > some of the caster by going back to the stock bushings.
     >
     > I am getting awfully tired of the squeaking . . . .
     >
     > Mike Thomas
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
     Mike Drew via
     > DeTomaso
     > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 2:12 PM
     > To: [4]demongusta at me.com; [5]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
     > Cc: deTomaso at POCA.com
     > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [POCA Forum] A-ARM BUSHINGS (Pantera
     Technical)
     >
     >
     > In a message dated 4/29/15 12 34 27, [6]demongusta at me.com writes:
     >
     >
     >>A  A  A  What is the main advantage of the Poly A-arm bushings? If
     they
     >> are
     >>>A  A  A  replaced with the stock rubber, I assume you would not
     have the
     >>>A  A  A  squeaking, correct.
     >>
     >
     >>>> Interesting--I never saw this original message, or John
     Donahue's
     > response, or Dennis' response to that; the only thing that came
     through is
     > John's
     > subsequent reply.A  A Is this something that bled over from a
     web-based forum
     > perhaps?
     >
     > As to the question above--the principal selling point of poly
     bushings is
     > that they offer less compliance (which is what bushings are for in
     the first
     >
     > place).A  A They are favored by racers and autocrossers (back in
     the day, race
     >
     > Cobras came with solid metal bushings, yow!).A  A The main
     advantage they
     > used to have over factory bushings was greatly reduced cost.
     >
     > Drawbacks are many, however.A  A As you mentioned, they can squeak
     something
     > awful if they aren't properly (and routinely) lubricated.A
     A (People often
     > fail to lube the outside ends of the bushings, which is where most
     of the
     > squeaking happens).A  A Too, they can deliver a somewhat harsher
     ride, and
     > fail to
     > absorb road shocks as well, transmitting them through the body
     instead.
     >
     > Now MaseratiSource sells stock-style bushings at a very affordable
     price,
     > making them competitive with poly bushings.A  A I vastly prefer
     stock-style
     > bushings for a variety of reasons.
     >
     > Getting the old ones out is time-consuming and labor-intensive,
     but not
     > especially difficult.A  A Using a sawzall (you can use a hacksaw
     but it would
     > take forever), you cut the large end off the bushing.A  A Then you
     use a
     > just-large-enough deep well socket on one side, and a
     just-small-enough
     > socket on the other, put the whole affair in a vice and compress
     it; the
     > small socket should be small enough to fit inside the A-arm tube,
     and the
     > large one large enough to accept the bushing as it is pressed out
     of the
     > A-arm.
     >
     > My wife Lori changed all 16 of her bushings herself, once the
     process was
     > demonstrated, so you can definitely do it too! :>)
     >
     > Mike
     >
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