[DeTomaso] Wilwood, Brembo brakes
Kirby Schrader
kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Tue Mar 10 07:53:37 EDT 2015
Mike,
A correction!
I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood calipers,
I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for years.
I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are SuperLites, I think.
With 15” wheels.
Yes, I have 18” wheels now for the street, but 15” Gottis or Bassetts fit
just fine.
1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston Grand National
calipers.
These do NOT fit all 15” wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but they too
will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
I ran them at the track a couple of weeks ago, so I know they fit!
:-)
FWIW,
Kirby
On Mar 9, 2015, at 21:42, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
In a message dated 3/6/15 13 16 27, patrickhals at gmail.com writes:
I'd like to improve the brakes on my street Pantera.
I will drive either with standard 15 " wheels, or may be 17 or more
"...
Not sure yet.
Well, it makes a BIG difference.
I'd like to have 6 pistons in the front, and 4 in the rear.
First of all, you simply can't fit any 6-piston calipers on the
front of a Pantera with 15-inch wheels. Just won't fit. So you need
to decide what kind of wheels you're going to run, OR be conservative
and just get a system that will work with either.
Why do you think you want six-piston calipers? I can assure you that
there is NO measurable benefit over a quality four-piston caliper. In
fact, they use exactly the same brake pads!
I thought like you at first, and attempted to fit six-piston calipers
on the front of my Pantera. They simply would not fit. Instead, I was
able to fit extremely high-quality four-piston calipers with
different-sized pistons, which are arguably better than the six-piston
offerings.
Is there a direct fit for a Pantera with Wilwood brakes ? In 15 ?
In 17 or
more ?
That is : disks, hats, calipers, master cylinder ( if it needs to be
changed ??? ) ... and so on.
Yes. All the Pantera vendors sell kits that will bolt straight up
to your car. Back in the good old days, all the available kits worked
with 15-inch wheels; now none of them do! They all discontinued their
'old' kits and went for systems with larger rotors, bigger calipers
etc. which force you to use 17-inch wheels.
Note that these systems offer no superior braking performance (at least
not with street tires). It's all about style and fashion.
Scott at SACC Restorations was eager to work with me to develop a
system for use with my 8/10-inch Campagnolo wheels. In the process, he
learned a lot himself. His caliper brackets spaced the calipers too
far away from the center line of the spindle, and he had to make custom
brackets just for me. Having said that, I think he could now replicate
that for you as well.
I have 12.19 x 1.25 inch vented rotors and four-piston Wilwoods on all
four corners now, and my brakes work great (well, my brake booster
started leaking but that's another story).
If there isn't , where can I buy the parts to adapt the non DT
system to a
Pantera ? What are the Wilwood references ? .
What about old Porsche "Brembo" brakes ( from 928 S4, 996, Turbo,
.... )
that should prove to be excellent ?
Thank you !
A handful of people have adapted Porsche Brembo calipers to their
Panteras. They require custom brackets, and also will not work with
15-inch wheels. So if you want to go that route, you have to do much
of it yourself (Pat Mical offers a kit I think) and are committed to
aftermarket wheels.
Mike
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Mike,
A correction!
I have to differ with you with regard to 6 piston Wilwood calipers,A
I have been running 6 piston calipers on the front of 1661 for years.
I think I installed them back in 2000 or so. They are SuperLites, I
think.
With 15a wheels.
Yes, I have 18a wheels now for the street, but 15a Gottis or Bassetts
fit just fine.
1921, the race car, is actually running the Wilwood 6 piston Grand
National calipers.
These do NOT fit all 15a wheels (Campagnolo, for example), but they too
will fit the Gottis and Bassetts.
I ran them at the track a couple of weeks ago, so I know they fit!
:-)
FWIW,
Kirby
On Mar 9, 2015, at 21:42, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A A In a message dated 3/6/15 13 16 27, [2]patrickhals at gmail.com
writes:
A A A A I'd like to improve the brakes on my street Pantera.
A A A A I will drive either with standard 15 " wheels, or may be 17 or
more
A A A A "...
A A A A Not sure yet.
Well, it makes a BIG difference.
I'd like to have 6 pistons in the front, and 4 in the rear.
First of all, you simply can't fit any 6-piston calipers on the
A A front of a Pantera with 15-inch wheels.A Just won't fit.A So you
need
A A to decide what kind of wheels you're going to run, OR be
conservative
A A and just get a system that will work with either.
A A Why do you think you want six-piston calipers?A I can assure you
that
A A there is NO measurable benefit over a quality four-piston
caliper.A In
A A fact, they use exactly the same brake pads!
A A I thought like you at first, and attempted to fit six-piston
calipers
A A on the front of my Pantera.A They simply would not fit.A Instead,
I was
A A able to fit extremely high-quality four-piston calipers with
A A different-sized pistons, which are arguably better than the
six-piston
A A offerings.
Is there a direct fit for a Pantera with Wilwood brakes ? In 15 ?
A A A A In 17 or
A A A A more ?
A A A A That is : disks, hats, calipers, master cylinder ( if it needs
to be
A A A A changed ??? ) ... and so on.
Yes.A All the Pantera vendors sell kits that will bolt straight up
A A to your car.A Back in the good old days, all the available kits
worked
A A with 15-inch wheels; now none of them do!A They all discontinued
their
A A 'old' kits and went for systems with larger rotors, bigger calipers
A A etc. which force you to use 17-inch wheels.
A A Note that these systems offer no superior braking performance (at
least
A A not with street tires).A It's all about style and fashion.
A A Scott at SACC Restorations was eager to work with me to develop a
A A system for use with my 8/10-inch Campagnolo wheels. In the process,
he
A A learned a lot himself.A His caliper brackets spaced the calipers
too
A A far away from the center line of the spindle, and he had to make
custom
A A brackets just for me.A Having said that, I think he could now
replicate
A A that for you as well.
A A I have 12.19 x 1.25 inch vented rotors and four-piston Wilwoods on
all
A A four corners now, and my brakes work great (well, my brake booster
A A started leaking but that's another story).
If there isn't , where can I buy the parts to adapt the non DT
A A A A system to a
A A A A Pantera ? What are the Wilwood references ? A .
A A A A What about old Porsche "Brembo" brakes ( from 928 S4, 996,
Turbo,
A A A A .... )
A A A A that should prove to be excellent ?
A A A A Thank you !
A handful of people have adapted Porsche Brembo calipers to their
A A Panteras.A They require custom brackets, and also will not work
with
A A 15-inch wheels.A So if you want to go that route, you have to do
much
A A of it yourself (Pat Mical offers a kit I think) and are committed
to
A A aftermarket wheels.
A A Mike
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