[DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
doug sedon
sedond at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 3 12:21:48 EST 2015
i resemble that remark! :>)
doug s.,#2602
From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "boyd411 at gmail.com" <boyd411 at gmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>; "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
The only thing worse than profanity is passive-aggressive profanity...
On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:19 AM, "doug sedon via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> where's the crude language? that i said i received an ignorant spam
> post that was mostly bullshit, given that there is little validity to
> the underlying issues? pardon me for being crude, then, if that's what
> it was. love of country? please spare me the bullshit. oops, there i
> go, being crude again...
> doug s.,
> #2602
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "boyd411 at gmail.com"
> <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> I often receive well intentioned emails which include inaccurate
> information innocently forwarded. I assume that is the case here, and
> given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward such
> emails, especially when you love your country. A response including
> crude language was not necessary or appropriate.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "boyd411 at gmail.com" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam. and jeff, thanks for pointing
> out
> it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes. i particularly liked
> this
> statement there:
> "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most of
> the
> states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs, while
> Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to federal
> spending."
> i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
> states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the majority
> are
> "red" states.):
>
> [1][1]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909
> 712
> .html
> i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
> welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters: 60% of
> the
> federal discretionary budget is spent there. what "welfare" is left
> to
> those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
> and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal immigrants,
> (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal,
> should
> NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting
> that
> those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are in
> fact
> those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
> problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem. and they are
> happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals who
> will work for less money.
> i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise the
> oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain about
> how
> much they are over-taxed. and wonder at the same time why our
> infrastructure is collapsing. the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per
> gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years. in europe, the
> taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of gas
> in
> america. total insanity.
> some other interesting trivia:
> - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will cost
> an
> ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
> health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much money
> could have been saved if there were a single-payer public option.)
> - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
> population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
> developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
> double the median oecd cost. yet, health of americans ranks about
> 20th.
> - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
> industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
> - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of those
> incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership. and whoever is in
> 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
> - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
> cheeseburgers...
> - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll taxes, a
> separate tax from regular income tax. this includes all s/s and a
> large portion of medicare. this also happens to be an extremely
> regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class, as
> all
> income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed.
> (the
> system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it to
> pay
> discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used to
> fund it.)
> - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in
> income
> tax.
> - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in income
> tax.
> - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
> - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while the
> likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to
> taxes.
> - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it has
> been any time since 1950.
> - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are higher.
> - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the
> dems,
> in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton,
> carter,
> lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp, while
> the
> last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw an
> INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
> - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
> overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t
> unfunded
> prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars,
> ruinous
> tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic collapse.
> and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course during a
> private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which
> make
> up the rest of the deficit under barack. the deficit the last 4
> years
> would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president. in fact, most
> non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus spending
> was
> it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic collapse.
> but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
> between 1970 - 2007:
> Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
> Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 - +141%
> Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
> Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
> Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
> Bottom 90% - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 - MINUS
> 0.9%
> and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even worse. in
> fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
> disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression in
> 1929... hmmm....
> so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near. but not for
> the
> same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh. ;~)
> "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
> Yesterday it was my birthday
> I hung one more year on the line
> I should be depressed, my life's a mess
> But I'm having a good time
> Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
> I'm exhausted from loving so well
> I should go to bed but a voice in my head
> Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
> Have a good time
> Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
> But I think it's all overdone
> Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
> They don't have no fun
> I don't believe what I read in the papers
> They're just out to capture my dime
> I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
> I'm having a good time
> Have a good time
> Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
> Maybe my race has been run
> Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
> But what can be done?
> So God bless the goods we was given
> And God bless the U. S. of A.
> And God bless our standard of livin'
> Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> doug s.,
> #2602
> References
> 1.
> [2]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909712
> .html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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i resemble that remark! :>)
doug s.,
#2602
__________________________________________________________________
From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "boyd411 at gmail.com"
<boyd411 at gmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>;
"davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
The only thing worse than profanity is passive-aggressive profanity...
On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:19 AM, "doug sedon via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> where's the crude language? that i said i received an ignorant spam
> post that was mostly bullshit, given that there is little validity
to
> the underlying issues? pardon me for being crude, then, if that's
what
> it was. love of country? please spare me the bullshit. oops,
there i
> go, being crude again...
> doug s.,
> #2602
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: doug sedon <[3]sedond at yahoo.com>; "[4]boyd411 at gmail.com"
> <[5]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[6]davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <[7]davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "[8]detomaso at poca.com" <[9]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> I often receive well intentioned emails which include inaccurate
> information innocently forwarded. I assume that is the case here,
and
> given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward
such
> emails, especially when you love your country. A response including
> crude language was not necessary or appropriate.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "[11]boyd411 at gmail.com" <[12]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[13]davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <[14]davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "[15]detomaso at poca.com" <[16]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam. and jeff, thanks for pointing
> out
> it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes. i particularly liked
> this
> statement there:
> "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most
of
> the
> states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs,
while
> Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to
federal
> spending."
> i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
> states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the
majority
> are
> "red" states.):
>
>
[1][1][17]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-16
4909
> 712
> .html
> i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
> welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters: 60% of
> the
> federal discretionary budget is spent there. what "welfare" is
left
> to
> those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
> and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal
immigrants,
> (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal,
> should
> NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting
> that
> those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are in
> fact
> those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
> problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem. and they
are
> happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals
who
> will work for less money.
> i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise
the
> oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain
about
> how
> much they are over-taxed. and wonder at the same time why our
> infrastructure is collapsing. the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents
per
> gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years. in europe,
the
> taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of
gas
> in
> america. total insanity.
> some other interesting trivia:
> - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will
cost
> an
> ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
> health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much
money
> could have been saved if there were a single-payer public option.)
> - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
> population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
> developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
> double the median oecd cost. yet, health of americans ranks about
> 20th.
> - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
> industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
> - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of those
> incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership. and whoever is
in
> 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
> - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
> cheeseburgers...
> - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll
taxes, a
> separate tax from regular income tax. this includes all s/s and a
> large portion of medicare. this also happens to be an extremely
> regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class, as
> all
> income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed.
> (the
> system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it
to
> pay
> discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used
to
> fund it.)
> - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in
> income
> tax.
> - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in income
> tax.
> - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
> - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while
the
> likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to
> taxes.
> - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it
has
> been any time since 1950.
> - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are
higher.
> - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the
> dems,
> in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton,
> carter,
> lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp, while
> the
> last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw
an
> INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
> - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
> overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t
> unfunded
> prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars,
> ruinous
> tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic
collapse.
> and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course during
a
> private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which
> make
> up the rest of the deficit under barack. the deficit the last 4
> years
> would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president. in fact,
most
> non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus spending
> was
> it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic
collapse.
> but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
> between 1970 - 2007:
> Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
> Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 -
+141%
> Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
> Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
> Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
> Bottom 90% - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 - MINUS
> 0.9%
> and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even worse.
in
> fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
> disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression in
> 1929... hmmm....
> so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near. but not
for
> the
> same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh. ;~)
> "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
> Yesterday it was my birthday
> I hung one more year on the line
> I should be depressed, my life's a mess
> But I'm having a good time
> Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
> I'm exhausted from loving so well
> I should go to bed but a voice in my head
> Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
> Have a good time
> Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
> But I think it's all overdone
> Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
> They don't have no fun
> I don't believe what I read in the papers
> They're just out to capture my dime
> I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
> I'm having a good time
> Have a good time
> Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
> Maybe my race has been run
> Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
> But what can be done?
> So God bless the goods we was given
> And God bless the U. S. of A.
> And God bless our standard of livin'
> Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> doug s.,
> #2602
> References
> 1.
>
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9712
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