[DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
doug sedon
sedond at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 3 12:18:00 EST 2015
seems to me the ones who are the frontal lobotomy survivors are the gun toting patriots looking for a fight. ;~)
don't get me started; yesterday i was out protesting netanyahu and aipac with my fellow jews. more today at das capitol at 4pm est - be there or be square. :>)http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/orthodox-jews-including-rabbi-dovid-feldman-second-from-news-photo/163084562doug s.,#2602
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Cc: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>; "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
OK Everybody,
Since the only thing we all have in common is the car, let's just keep it about the car.
This serves no purposes, it is divisive and we are among friends of a sort.
Just because some of you are liberal, frontal lobotomy survivors, and others are gun toting
patriots looking for a fight, can't we ( in the words of a street thug, welfare cheat and baby daddy
Rodney Kind ) Just all get along?
Michael Shortt
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
The only thing worse than profanity is passive-aggressive profanity...
On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:19 AM, "doug sedon via DeTomaso" <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> where's the crude language? that i said i received an ignorant spam
> post that was mostly bullshit, given that there is little validity to
> the underlying issues? pardon me for being crude, then, if that's what
> it was. love of country? please spare me the bullshit. oops, there i
> go, being crude again...
> doug s.,
> #2602
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; "boyd411 at gmail.com"
> <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> I often receive well intentioned emails which include inaccurate
> information innocently forwarded. I assume that is the case here, and
> given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward such
> emails, especially when you love your country. A response including
> crude language was not necessary or appropriate.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "boyd411 at gmail.com" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam. and jeff, thanks for pointing
> out
> it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes. i particularly liked
> this
> statement there:
> "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most of
> the
> states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs, while
> Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to federal
> spending."
> i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
> states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the majority
> are
> "red" states.):
>
> [1][1]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909
> 712
> .html
> i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
> welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters: 60% of
> the
> federal discretionary budget is spent there. what "welfare" is left
> to
> those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
> and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal immigrants,
> (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal,
> should
> NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting
> that
> those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are in
> fact
> those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
> problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem. and they are
> happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals who
> will work for less money.
> i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise the
> oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain about
> how
> much they are over-taxed. and wonder at the same time why our
> infrastructure is collapsing. the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per
> gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years. in europe, the
> taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of gas
> in
> america. total insanity.
> some other interesting trivia:
> - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will cost
> an
> ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
> health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much money
> could have been saved if there were a single-payer public option.)
> - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
> population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
> developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
> double the median oecd cost. yet, health of americans ranks about
> 20th.
> - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
> industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
> - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of those
> incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership. and whoever is in
> 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
> - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
> cheeseburgers...
> - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll taxes, a
> separate tax from regular income tax. this includes all s/s and a
> large portion of medicare. this also happens to be an extremely
> regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class, as
> all
> income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed.
> (the
> system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it to
> pay
> discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used to
> fund it.)
> - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in
> income
> tax.
> - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in income
> tax.
> - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
> - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while the
> likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to
> taxes.
> - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it has
> been any time since 1950.
> - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are higher.
> - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the
> dems,
> in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton,
> carter,
> lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp, while
> the
> last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw an
> INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
> - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
> overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t
> unfunded
> prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars,
> ruinous
> tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic collapse.
> and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course during a
> private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which
> make
> up the rest of the deficit under barack. the deficit the last 4
> years
> would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president. in fact, most
> non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus spending
> was
> it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic collapse.
> but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
> between 1970 - 2007:
> Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
> Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 - +141%
> Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
> Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
> Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
> Bottom 90% - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 - MINUS
> 0.9%
> and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even worse. in
> fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
> disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression in
> 1929... hmmm....
> so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near. but not for
> the
> same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh. ;~)
> "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
> Yesterday it was my birthday
> I hung one more year on the line
> I should be depressed, my life's a mess
> But I'm having a good time
> Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
> I'm exhausted from loving so well
> I should go to bed but a voice in my head
> Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
> Have a good time
> Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
> But I think it's all overdone
> Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
> They don't have no fun
> I don't believe what I read in the papers
> They're just out to capture my dime
> I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
> I'm having a good time
> Have a good time
> Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
> Maybe my race has been run
> Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
> But what can be done?
> So God bless the goods we was given
> And God bless the U. S. of A.
> And God bless our standard of livin'
> Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> doug s.,
> #2602
> References
> 1.
> [2]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909712
> .html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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seems to me the ones who are the frontal lobotomy survivors are the gun
toting patriots looking for a fight. ;~)
don't get me started; yesterday i was out protesting netanyahu and
aipac with my fellow jews. more today at das capitol at 4pm est - be
there or be square. :>)
[1]http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/orthodox-jews-including
-rabbi-dovid-feldman-second-from-news-photo/163084562
doug s.,
#2602
__________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga at gmail.com>
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Cc: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
"davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
"detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC! (was: Re: A Very Scary Obituary)
OK Everybody,
Since the only thing we all have in common is the car, let's just keep
it about the car.
This serves no purposes, it is divisive and we are among friends of a
sort.
Just because some of you are liberal, frontal lobotomy survivors, and
others are gun toting
patriots looking for a fight, can't we ( in the words of a street thug,
welfare cheat and baby daddy
Rodney Kind ) Just all get along?
Michael Shortt
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Christopher Kimball
<[2]chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
The only thing worse than profanity is passive-aggressive
profanity...
On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:19 AM, "doug sedon via DeTomaso"
<[3]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> where's the crude language? that i said i received an ignorant
spam
> post that was mostly bullshit, given that there is little validity
to
> the underlying issues? pardon me for being crude, then, if that's
what
> it was. love of country? please spare me the bullshit. oops,
there i
> go, being crude again...
> doug s.,
> #2602
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> To: doug sedon <[5]sedond at yahoo.com>; "[6]boyd411 at gmail.com"
> <[7]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[8]davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <[9]davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "[10]detomaso at poca.com" <[11]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> I often receive well intentioned emails which include inaccurate
> information innocently forwarded. I assume that is the case here,
and
> given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward
such
> emails, especially when you love your country. A response
including
> crude language was not necessary or appropriate.
> Ken
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "[13]boyd411 at gmail.com" <[14]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "[15]davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <[16]davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
> "[17]detomaso at poca.com" <[18]detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
> hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam. and jeff, thanks for
pointing
> out
> it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes. i particularly liked
> this
> statement there:
> "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most
of
> the
> states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs,
while
> Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to
federal
> spending."
> i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
> states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the
majority
> are
> "red" states.):
>
>
[1][1][19]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-16
4909
> 712
> .html
> i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
> welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters: 60%
of
> the
> federal discretionary budget is spent there. what "welfare" is
left
> to
> those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
> and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal
immigrants,
> (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal,
> should
> NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting
> that
> those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are
in
> fact
> those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
> problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem. and they
are
> happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals
who
> will work for less money.
> i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise
the
> oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain
about
> how
> much they are over-taxed. and wonder at the same time why our
> infrastructure is collapsing. the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents
per
> gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years. in europe,
the
> taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of
gas
> in
> america. total insanity.
> some other interesting trivia:
> - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will
cost
> an
> ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
> health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much
money
> could have been saved if there were a single-payer public
option.)
> - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
> population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
> developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
> double the median oecd cost. yet, health of americans ranks
about
> 20th.
> - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
> industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
> - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of
those
> incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership. and whoever
is in
> 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
> - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
> cheeseburgers...
> - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll
taxes, a
> separate tax from regular income tax. this includes all s/s and
a
> large portion of medicare. this also happens to be an extremely
> regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class,
as
> all
> income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed.
> (the
> system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it
to
> pay
> discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used
to
> fund it.)
> - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in
> income
> tax.
> - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in
income
> tax.
> - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
> - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while
the
> likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to
> taxes.
> - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it
has
> been any time since 1950.
> - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are
higher.
> - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the
> dems,
> in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton,
> carter,
> lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp,
while
> the
> last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw
an
> INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
> - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
> overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t
> unfunded
> prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars,
> ruinous
> tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic
collapse.
> and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course
during a
> private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which
> make
> up the rest of the deficit under barack. the deficit the last 4
> years
> would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president. in fact,
most
> non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus
spending
> was
> it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic
collapse.
> but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
> between 1970 - 2007:
> Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
> Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 -
+141%
> Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
> Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
> Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
> Bottom 90% - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 -
MINUS
> 0.9%
> and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even
worse. in
> fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
> disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression
in
> 1929... hmmm....
> so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near. but not
for
> the
> same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh. ;~)
> "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
> Yesterday it was my birthday
> I hung one more year on the line
> I should be depressed, my life's a mess
> But I'm having a good time
> Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
> I'm exhausted from loving so well
> I should go to bed but a voice in my head
> Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
> Have a good time
> Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
> But I think it's all overdone
> Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
> They don't have no fun
> I don't believe what I read in the papers
> They're just out to capture my dime
> I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
> I'm having a good time
> Have a good time
> Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
> Maybe my race has been run
> Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
> But what can be done?
> So God bless the goods we was given
> And God bless the U. S. of A.
> And God bless our standard of livin'
> Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> doug s.,
> #2602
> References
> 1.
>
[2][20]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-16490
9712
> .html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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3. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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5. mailto:sedond at yahoo.com
6. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
7. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
8. mailto:davidmclain39 at gmail.com
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10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
13. mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com
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15. mailto:davidmclain39 at gmail.com
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17. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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