[DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
Boyd Casey
boyd411 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 2 21:43:07 EST 2015
To all still following this dribble but specifically to Doug Sedon and
Audio Nut.
Isn't all spam ignorant by virtue of it's definition. And to Mr. Nut A , I
challenge you to make the statement "Love of country" is a stupid, archaic
and fallacious mental notion that cowards and bullies hide behind to
justify their brutality. at any US Officers club or NCO's club naval air
station , or any marine cops base anywhere!. I'm not suggesting that you
don't have the right to voice your opinion it's only when there are people
willing to fight for whats right (like their country at what it stands
for!) Or to carry a gun and a badge and put their life on the line to
protect citizens from people who aren't willing to put their life on the
line.
Hugh Boyd Casey
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 6:33 PM
> To: 'Ken Green'; doug sedon; boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: davidmclain39 at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
>
> It also needs to be pointed out that the snoops response did not refute
> the claims. The original claim was that the "territory" won by the
> respective candidates not the states were net takers / contributors. I have
> no idea if the claims in the original post are true or not but to properly
> analyze them one would have to look at the election results precinct by
> precinct not state by state.
>
> I do know the whole thread should have a NPC in the subject line!
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green
> via DeTomaso
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:15 PM
> To: doug sedon; boyd411 at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com; davidmclain39 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
>
> I often receive well intentioned emails which include inaccurate
> information innocently forwarded. I assume that is the case here, and
> given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward such
> emails, especially when you love your country. A response including crude
> language was not necessary or appropriate.
> Ken
> From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> To: "boyd411 at gmail.com" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <davidmclain39 at gmail.com>; "
> detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
>
> hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam. and jeff, thanks for pointing out
> it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes. i particularly liked this
> statement there:
> "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most of the
> states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs, while
> Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to federal
> spending."
> i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
> states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the majority are
> "red" states.):
> [1]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909712
> .html
> i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
> welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters: 60% of the
> federal discretionary budget is spent there. what "welfare" is left to
> those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
> and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal immigrants,
> (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal, should
> NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting that
> those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are in fact
> those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
> problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem. and they are
> happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals who
> will work for less money.
> i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise the
> oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain about how
> much they are over-taxed. and wonder at the same time why our
> infrastructure is collapsing. the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per
> gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years. in europe, the
> taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of gas in
> america. total insanity.
> some other interesting trivia:
> - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will cost an
> ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
> health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much money
> could have been saved if there were a single-payer public option.)
> - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
> population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
> developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
> double the median oecd cost. yet, health of americans ranks about
> 20th.
> - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
> industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
> - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of those
> incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership. and whoever is in
> 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
> - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
> cheeseburgers...
> - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll taxes, a
> separate tax from regular income tax. this includes all s/s and a
> large portion of medicare. this also happens to be an extremely
> regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class, as all
> income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed. (the
> system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it to pay
> discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used to
> fund it.)
> - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in income
> tax.
> - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in income tax.
> - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
> - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while the
> likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to taxes.
> - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it has
> been any time since 1950.
>
> - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are higher.
> - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the dems,
> in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton, carter,
> lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp, while the
> last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw an
> INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
>
> - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
> overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t unfunded
> prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars, ruinous
> tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic collapse.
> and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course during a
> private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which make
> up the rest of the deficit under barack. the deficit the last 4 years
> would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president. in fact, most
> non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus spending was
> it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic collapse.
> but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
>
> between 1970 - 2007:
> Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
> Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 - +141%
> Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
> Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
> Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
> Bottom 90% - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 - MINUS 0.9%
> and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even worse. in
> fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
> disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression in
> 1929... hmmm....
> so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near. but not for the
> same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh. ;~)
> "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
> Yesterday it was my birthday
> I hung one more year on the line
> I should be depressed, my life's a mess
> But I'm having a good time
>
> Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
> I'm exhausted from loving so well
> I should go to bed but a voice in my head
> Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
>
> Have a good time
>
> Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
> But I think it's all overdone
> Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
> They don't have no fun
>
> I don't believe what I read in the papers
> They're just out to capture my dime
> I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
> I'm having a good time
> Have a good time
>
> Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
> Maybe my race has been run
> Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
> But what can be done?
>
> So God bless the goods we was given
> And God bless the U. S. of A.
> And God bless our standard of livin'
> Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
>
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> Have a good time
> doug s.,
> #2602
>
> References
>
> 1.
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-164909712.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
>
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To all still following this dribble but specifically to Doug Sedon and
Audio Nut.
Isn't all spam ignorant by virtue of it's definition. And to A Mr. Nut
A , I challenge you to make the statementA "Love of country" is a
stupid, archaic and fallacious mental notion that cowards and bullies
hide behind to justify their brutality. A at any US Officers club or
NCO's club naval air station , or any marine cops base anywhere!. I'm
not suggesting that you don't have the right to voice your opinion it's
only when there are people willing to fight for whats right (like their
country at what it stands for!) Or to carry a gun and a badge and put
their life on the line to protect citizens from people who aren't
willing to put their life on the line.
Hugh Boyd Casey
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Gray Gregory <[1]rgg at gregorycook.com>
wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 6:33 PM
To: 'Ken Green'; doug sedon; [2]boyd411 at gmail.com
Cc: [3]davidmclain39 at gmail.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
It also needs to be pointed out that the snoops response did not refute
the claims. The original claim was that the "territory" won by the
respective candidates not the states were net takers / contributors. I
have no idea if the claims in the original post are true or not but to
properly analyze them one would have to look at the election results
precinct by precinct not state by state.
I do know the whole thread should have a NPC in the subject line!
Gray
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Green via DeTomaso
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 4:15 PM
To: doug sedon; [5]boyd411 at gmail.com
Cc: [6]detomaso at poca.com; [7]davidmclain39 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
I often receive well intentioned emails which includeA inaccurate
information innocently forwarded.A IA assume that is the case here,
and given that the underlying issues are valid, it is easy to forward
such emails, especially when you love your country.A A A response
including crude languageA was not necessary or appropriate.
Ken
A A A A From: doug sedon via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at poca.com>
A To: "[9]boyd411 at gmail.com" <[10]boyd411 at gmail.com>
Cc: "[11]davidmclain39 at gmail.com" <[12]davidmclain39 at gmail.com>;
"[13]detomaso at poca.com" <[14]detomaso at poca.com>
A Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:35 PM
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A Very Scary Obituary
A hugh, thanks for the ignorant spam.A and jeff, thanks for pointing
out
A it's mostly bullshit, w/the link to snopes.A i particularly liked
this
A statement there:
A "In the 2000 U.S. presidential election, George W. Bush won most of
the
A states that are net beneficiaries of federal spending programs,
while
A Al Gore won most of the states that are net contributors to federal
A spending."
A i also like the yahoo article i read recently, discussing the ten
A states w/the worst quality of life. (and the fact that the majority
are
A "red" states.):
A
[1][15]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-states-worst-quality-life-16490
9712
A .html
A i also find it interesting that the vast majority of federal govt
A welfare goes to the military and its corporate supporters:A 60% of
the
A federal discretionary budget is spent there.A what "welfare" is
left to
A those truly in need is like pocket change in comparison.
A and, while i, personally, am against amnesty for illegal immigrants,
A (and i children born in america of parents who are both illegal,
should
A NOT be considered legal american citizens), i find it interesting
that
A those who complain the loudest about illegaql immigrants it are in
fact
A those who are the least willing to try to solve the immigration
A problem, turning down every attempt to fix the problem.A and they
are
A happy to see the wages kept artificially low, thanks to illegals who
A will work for less money.
A i also find it interesting that of the 35 nations that comprise the
A oecd, the usa's tax burden is about 33rd, yet people complain about
how
A much they are over-taxed.A and wonder at the same time why our
A infrastructure is collapsing.A the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents
per
A gallon, and has been that way for more than 20 years.A in europe,
the
A taxes for gasoline are higher than the entire cost per gallon of gas
in
A america.A total insanity.
A some other interesting trivia:
A - the cbo has said - recently - that repealing romneycare will cost
an
A ADDITIONAL $100b. (and romneycare sucks and was a sell-out to the
A health insurance companies and big pharma - just think how much
money
A could have been saved if there were a single-payer public option.)
A - america's healthcare costs - before romneycare, w/20% of its
A population not even covered - is far higher than any of the 35
A developed nations in the oecd, as a percentage of gdp, and almost
A double the median oecd cost.A yet, health of americans ranks about
A 20th.
A - america's educational costs are amongst the highest of the
A industrialized world, yet americans rank about 20th in education.
A - but hey - america leads in amount of prisons and amount of those
A incarcerated, and amount of private gun ownership.A and whoever is
in
A 2nd place isn't even CLOSE.
A - but we are only 2nd in obesity; seems we need to eat a few more
A cheeseburgers...
A - the majority of entitlement programs are funded by payroll taxes,
a
A separate tax from regular income tax.A this includes all s/s and a
A large portion of medicare.A this also happens to be an extremely
A regressive tax, paid for only by the poor and the middle class, as
all
A income over $110k is not taxed, only income BELOW $110k is taxed.A
(the
A system is "going broke" because the govt is borrowing against it to
pay
A discretionary spending expenses, and no income over $110k is used to
A fund it.)
A - the fortune 500 companies pay an average of just under 20% in
income
A tax.
A - 1/4 of the fortune 500 companies pay an average of 10% in income
tax.
A - 1/10th of the fortune 500 companies pay ZERO in income tax.
A - i earn ~$120k and pay almost 40% of my income to taxes; while the
A likes of mitt earn MILLIONS and pay about 15% of their income to
taxes.
A - america's tax rate as a percentage of gdp is lower now than it has
A been any time since 1950.
A - america's economy has always done better when tax rates are
higher.
A - it is the repubs that are the most profligate spenders, not the
dems,
A in spite of their rhetoric: the former dem presidents (clinton,
carter,
A lbj, jfk, truman) ALL REDUCED public debt as a share of gdp, while
the
A last four repub presidents (gwb, ghwb, reagan, ford) ALL oversaw an
A INCREASE in the country's indebtedness.
A - while the deficit has increased ~$1t/year under barack, the
A overwhelming majority is a direct result of gwb policies - $1t
unfunded
A prescription drug plan/big pharma give-away, two unfunded wars,
ruinous
A tax cuts, and the revenue loss from the resultant economic collapse.
A and ALL non-partisan economists say the ONLY prudent course during a
A private sector economic collapse is govt stimulus spending; which
make
A up the rest of the deficit under barack.A the deficit the last 4
years
A would have been huge REGARDLESS of who was president.A in fact,
most
A non-partisan economists say what was wrong w/the stimulus spending
was
A it was too SMALL, given the true magnitude of the economic collapse.
A but the party of "NO", said, well you know...
A between 1970 - 2007:
A Top 0.1% - ave income $5.6m - income increase since 1970 - +385%
A Top 0.1-0.5% - ave income $878k - income increase since 1970 - +141%
A Top 0.5-1% - ave income $443k - income increase since 1970 - +90%
A Top 1-5% - ave income $211.5k - income increase since 1970 - +59%
A Top 5-10% - ave income $127k - income increase since 1970 - +38%
A Bottom 90%A - ave income $31k - income DECREASE since 1970 - MINUS
0.9%
A and, since the crash of 2007, things have only gotten even worse.A
in
A fact, things haven't been this bad, or income distributed so
A disproportionately, since, uh, just before the great depression in
A 1929...A hmmm....
A so yes, i agree, the end of america as empire is near.A but not for
the
A same reasons that were presented in your "article", hugh.A ;~)
A "have a good time"; paul simon, 1975:
A Yesterday it was my birthday
A I hung one more year on the line
A I should be depressed, my life's a mess
A But I'm having a good time
A Oh, I've been loving and loving and loving
A I'm exhausted from loving so well
A I should go to bed but a voice in my head
A Says, "Ah, what the Hell"
A Have a good time
A Paranoia strikes deep in the heartland
A But I think it's all overdone
A Exaggerating this and exaggerating that
A They don't have no fun
A I don't believe what I read in the papers
A They're just out to capture my dime
A I ain't worrying and I ain't scurrying
A I'm having a good time
A Have a good time
A Maybe I'm laughing my way to disaster
A Maybe my race has been run
A Maybe I'm blind to the fate of mankind
A But what can be done?
A So God bless the goods we was given
A And God bless the U. S. of A.
A And God bless our standard of livin'
A Let's keep it that way and we'll all have a good time
A Have a good time
A Have a good time
A Have a good time
A doug s.,
A #2602
References
A 1.
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2.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
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