[DeTomaso] Radiators

marshall smith marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Mon Jun 29 16:43:16 EDT 2015


In reference to the Independent Antique Radiator described below, I would be a little skeptical about having only 3 rows and more concerned about coolant making only one pass through the unit. I believe the coolant should make two passes through the radiator to properly cool the liquid.

JMHO....

M   
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On Mon, 6/29/15, Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
 To: GR2835 at comcast.net, detomaso at poca.com
 Date: Monday, June 29, 2015, 11:27 AM
 
    Quick reply from
 Mishimoto:
 
 
    Charles,
    Thanks for the E-mail!
    Unfortunately, at this time we do not
 offer an aluminum radiator for
    the DeTomaso Pantera. I am sorry for any
 inconvenience. However, I will
    be happy to add your information to our
 product suggestion list! If we
    do decide to come out with a product that
 matches your description, we
    will be sure to contact you!
    Please let me know if there is anything
 else I can help with!
    Mishimoto strives for the best Customer
 Service. Have I fully resolved
    any questions or concerns you were
 contacting us about today?
    Thanks,
 
    Gerry - thanks for the info... Quite
 interested, although a little
    turned off by the fact that I would need
 new tubes under the chassis. A
    few years ago I bought all new SS tubing
 (so that it would never wear
    out!!) Let us know how you like it - I'm
 thinking that Santa would be a
    perfect guy to guy shopping for me, so I'm
 not in a hurry but am
    keeping my eyes open for the best
 solution
 
 
    From: GR2835 at comcast.net
 [mailto:GR2835 at comcast.net]
    Sent: lunes, 29 de junio de 2015 17:54
    To: Charles McCall
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
 
 
    Charles,
 
         You wanted
 lifetime.........warranty
 
       Independent Antique Radiator in
 Algonquin, Illinois , will be
    selling an all brass, 3 core, extruded
 tube (no seams), single pass
    radiator that is a direct replacement for
 a Pantera radiator. It even
    has the new dimpled fins for more heat
 dissapation........designed for
    the air conditioning condenser to be
 mounted in front and sucker fans
    recommended by Jon Haas to be mounted
 behind.
       This radiator has the heat sensor screw
 in mounted on the drivers
    side as recommended by John Haas and
 included in his radiator fan
    controller kit.
        This radiator requires new
 tubes to be made from the under chassis
    tubes.....Inlet on the passenger side and
 outlet on the drivers side.
         Current prototype is running in
 my car. The radiator should  be
    available in about 2 weeks....$650.00 .+
 shipping..I can send pictures.
            Their warranty
 is unconditional excluding damage not caused by
    manufacture.
         Independent Antique Radiator
          200 Berg St.
          Algonquin, Il.
             Image removed by
 sender. 847-458-7400
    Gerry
    VP Great Lakes Pantera Club
 
    _______________________________________________________________________
 
    From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
    To: "Al Chelini" <pantera at cox.net>
    Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>,
 detomaso at poca.com
    Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:29:21 AM
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
 
 
    Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May be in the
 market for a new radiator, as
    mine
    is marking its territory a Little more
 every day. A lifetime warranty
    would
    be fantastic!
 
 
    On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al
 Chelini <pantera at cox.net>
 wrote:
 
 
    >    Hi, gang,
    >    FWIW, I just got thru
 with a leaky radiator project on another
    >    (extensively modified)
 make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis
    (RD)
    >    radiator.A  That RD
 unit developed some serious leaks along the
    top &
    >    bottom ends where the
 side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
    >    thought I'd share this
 learning experience with the group.
    >    After calling RD's
 Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
    >    1) they can't repair an
 aluminum radiator once it's come in
    contact
    >    with radiator coolant.
 They claim it contaminates the metal,
    making it
    >    impossible to TIG weld
 successfully.
    >    2) they will be happy to
 sell me a new unit .....A  about $1000,
    >    delivered.A  But,
 with only their standard 90 day limited
    warranty.
    >    Kinda' chintzy policy
 for such an expensive part, when the GM
    >    replacement version is
 only $150. Are these things considered a
    >    consumable, like brake
 pads?
    >    3) On a recommendation
 from a trusted source, I picked up a
    Mishimoto
    >    radiator for about 40%
 the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
    >    warranty. Everyone who
 has seen the new part claims that the
    >    workmanship is superior
 to the RD.A
    >    4) But, I checked the
 [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer
    one
    >    for the Pantera
 (yet).A  But, I did leave an email suggesting that
    they
    >    market one.
    >    Here's the pitch: Maybe
 if a few other list members would contact
    them
    >    expressing a desire to
 buy their Pantera version, they might be
    >    motivated to start
 producing them. They make radiators for cars
    which
    >    are much lower volume
 than the Pantera.
    >    Bonus: Mishimoto is a
 huge company, and their customer service is
    >    outstanding. The
 Lifetime warranty sold me.
    >    Final thought:
    >    The OEM Pantera radiator
 is a very good part; but, some of these
    were
    >    not built correctly.
 Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article
    61
    >    describes a correcting
 modification which can be done by a
    competent
    >    radiator shop.
    >    FWIW,
    >    Al (3915)
    >   
 ==================================================================
    >    On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at
 1:26 AM, michael barnes
    >    <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
 wrote:
    >
    >      I bought a
 Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
    obviously
    >      wouldn't fit
 .After sales was shocking , three months and no
    >      replacement d-!
    >      Sent by Michael
 Barnes
    >      > On 29 Jun
 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
    wrote:
    >      >
    >      > I have a
 stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has
    a
    >      radiator cap on
 it which weird but I suppose you can weld that
    off?
    >      >
    >      > Ed
    >      >
    >      >
    >      >> On Jun
 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
    >      <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
 wrote:
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and
    has
    >      cooled my
    >      >>A 
 car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high
    volume
    >      fans.
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Marshall
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 -------- Original message --------
    >      >>A 
 From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    >      >>A 
 Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
    >      >>A 
 To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com,
 [7]steve at snclocks.com,
    >      [8]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
    >      >>A 
 For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
    radiator
    >      for the
    >      >>A 
 Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
    >      version on
    >      >>A 
 eBay with some happy customers.
    >      >>A 
 Julian
    >      >>A 
 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
    >      >>A 
 To: [9]steve at snclocks.com;
 [10]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
    >      >>A 
 From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
    >      writes:
    >      >>>
 Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a
    seep
    >      from
    >      >>>
 where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A
    Looks
    >      like
    >      >>A 
 it has been
    >      >>>
 there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
    >      engine at
    >      >>A 
 1500
    >      >>> rpm
 for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
    >      radiator,
    >      >>A 
 bought
    >      >>> and
 installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
    >      >>>
    >     
 >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered
 to their sadness that
    >      Fluidyne
    >      >>A 
 radiators
    >      >>A 
 (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
    cooled
    >      very well
    >      >
    >     
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    >    On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at
 1:26 AM, michael barnes
    >    <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
 wrote:
    >
    >      I bought a
 Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
    obviously
    >      wouldn't fit
 .After sales was shocking , three months and no
    >      replacement d-!
    >      Sent by Michael
 Barnes
    >      > On 29 Jun
 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com>
    wrote:
    >      >
    >      > I have a
 stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has
    a
    >      radiator cap on
 it which weird but I suppose you can weld that
    off?
    >      >
    >      > Ed
    >      >
    >      >
    >      >> On Jun
 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
    >      <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
 wrote:
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and
    has
    >      cooled my
    >      >>A 
 car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high
    volume
    >      fans.
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Marshall
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
    >      >>
    >      >>A 
 -------- Original message --------
    >      >>A 
 From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    >      >>A 
 Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
    >      >>A 
 To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com,
 [20]steve at snclocks.com,
    >      [21]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
    >      >>A 
 For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
    radiator
    >      for the
    >      >>A 
 Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
    >      version on
    >      >>A 
 eBay with some happy customers.
    >      >>A 
 Julian
    >      >>A 
 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
    >      >>A 
 To: [22]steve at snclocks.com;
 [23]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
    >      >>A 
 From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
    >      >>A 
 In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
    >      writes:
    >      >>>
 Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a
    seep
    >      from
    >      >>>
 where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A
    Looks
    >      like
    >      >>A 
 it has been
    >      >>>
 there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
    >      engine at
    >      >>A 
 1500
    >      >>> rpm
 for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
    >      radiator,
    >      >>A 
 bought
    >      >>> and
 installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
    >      >>>
    >     
 >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered
 to their sadness that
    >      Fluidyne
    >      >>A 
 radiators
    >      >>A 
 (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
    cooled
    >      very well
    >      >
    >     
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    >    1. http://mishimoto.com/
    >    2. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
    >    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
    >    4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
    >    5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
    >    6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
    >    7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >    8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >    9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >   10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >   11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >   12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >   13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
    >   14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
    >   15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
    >   16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
    >   17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
    >   18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
    >   19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
    >   20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >   21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >   22. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >   23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >   24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
    >   25. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
    >   26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
    >   27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
    >
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