[DeTomaso] Radiators
thomas
thomas at hax.se
Mon Jun 29 14:32:39 EDT 2015
Where is your temp gauge sensor mounted, swirl tank or block?
> 29 jun 2015 kl. 19:42 skrev marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>:
>
> All....more on Radiators...
>
> I won a Fluidyne in Vegas years back but my OEM radiator worked so well, I didn't install it for a year. When I did, it had a small leak. Fluidyne had changed owners in the meantime so they would not warranty the unit (it was a manufacturing defect where the tubes insert into the side plate). We have a radiator shop here in San Diego that repairs aluminum radiators on a very frequent basis. Most of their work on these radiators are for dune buggies which of course take an incredible amount of abuse and they have an ingenious way to repair these. They pressure test the unit and pinpoint the leak. Then they dry the area fully and apply a healthy vacuum to the radiator. They then apply epoxy to the leaking area. The vacuum sucks the epoxy into this area and then it is allowed to dry.
>
> I took my "new" Fluidyne to them to repair and afterwards, a pressure test showed no leaking. I reinstalled the unit but it leaked about one drop per week (such a small leak, it passed the pressure test). I am confident I could have taken it back and had them re-repair the leak with 100% success but I was lazy so I added a stop leak and it hasn't leaked for years.
>
> In comparing the efficiency of the brass OEM unit with the Fluidyne, the aluminum radiator cools almost too well. At speed, the temp gauge continually "bounces" back and forth from about 120 degrees to 185. I am concerned that this might wear out the thermostat as it continually opens and closes while at speed. The brass unit sits at 185 when at speed. Both units keep the car very cool and when the fans kick on, the temp drops to 185 and stays there.
>
> In closing, the brass OEM unit is a great radiator once you assure that the baffle on the inlet/outlet tank is intact and you use modern day fans. The aluminum unit is great but multiple reports of leaking and an inability to rod out the radiator for cleaning is certainly a minus. Before you trash that $800 piece of aluminum, look for a radiator shop that may use this technique to stop the leak(s). I will continue to use my aluminum unit but when it fails, my brass unit won't be far away for replacement.
>
> As with all other modifications, high horsepower, multiple boring, poor servicing, hot climates and overall abuse, etc., may affect your results.
>
> Marshall Smith
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 6/29/15, thomas <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> To: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Pantera list serve" <detomaso at poca.com>
> Date: Monday, June 29, 2015, 8:20 AM
>
> The old radiator
> was plugged already before the Tefba.
>
> The inspiration for the anode was a
> discussion on this list about a
> year ago. I got one from a local marine
> shop and it threads right into
> the radiator in place of the drain cock. I
> didn't even drain the
> cooling system.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thomas
>
> 29 jun 2015 kl. 16:56 skrev Charles
> McCall
> <[1]charlesmccall at gmail.com>:
>
> So, Thomas, I assume that that means that
> your radiator is clogged from
> sludge (rust-slime stuff) that is far too
> fine for the Tefba, and that
> was your motivation for installing a
> sacrificial node?
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Thomas
> Tornblom <[2]thomas at hax.se>
> wrote:
>
> Den 2015-06-29 16:22, Charles
> McCall skrev:
>
> Do you run any kind of Tefba filter
> (or equivalent) in your cooling
> system?
>
> Yes, forgot about that. I have a
> Tefba.
> I think that is about 10 years old
> too now. It doesn't see much crap
> anymore, but there was some after
> the engine rebuilds.
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:45 PM,
> Thomas Tornblom <[3]thomas at hax.se
> <mailto:[4]thomas at hax.se>>
> wrote:
> My Fluidyne radiator
> was installed 2005 and is still working
> fine.
> Last year I replaced
> the drain cock with a sacrifical anode,
> hoping
> to avoid any galvanic
> corrosion.
> I had tried to get
> the stock brass radiator to work, but it was
> plugged up in so many
> cells that it was no longer usable.
> Thomas
> Den 2015-06-29 14:29,
> Charles McCall skrev:
>
> Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May beA in the market for
> a
> new
>
> radiator, as
>
> mine is marking its territory a Little more every
> day.
> A
>
> lifetime
>
> warranty would be fantastic!
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini
>
> <[1][5]pantera at cox.net
> <mailto:[6]pantera at cox.net>>
> wrote:
>
> A A Hi, gang,
>
> A A FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky
> radiator
> project
> on
> another
>
> A A (extensively modified) make vehicle,
> which came
> with
> a Ron
>
> Davis (RD)
>
> A A radiator.AA That RD unit
> developed some serious
> leaks
> along
>
> the top &
>
> A A bottom ends where the side tanks
> meet the
> supporting
> rails;
> and
>
> I
>
> A A thought I'd share this learning
> experience with
> the
> group.
>
> A A After calling RD's Customer Support
> seeking
> repairs,
> I
> found
>
> that:
>
> A A 1) they can't repair an aluminum
> radiator once
> it's
> come
> in
>
> contact
>
> A A with radiator coolant. They claim
> it
> contaminates
> the
> metal,
>
> making it
>
> A A impossible to TIG weld
> successfully.
>
> A A 2) they will be happy to sell me a
> new unit
> .....AA
> about
>
> $1000,
>
> A A delivered.AA But, with only
> their standard 90
> day
>
> limited
>
> warranty.
>
> A A Kinda' chintzy policy for such an
> expensive
> part,
> when
> the GM
>
> A A replacement version is only $150.
> Are these
> things
>
> considered a
>
> A A consumable, like brake pads?
>
> A A 3) On a recommendation from a
> trusted source, I
> picked
> up a
>
> Mishimoto
>
> A A radiator for about 40% the cost of a
> new RD, and
> it
> has a
>
> Lifetime
>
> A A warranty. Everyone who has seen the
> new part
> claims
> that
> the
>
> A A workmanship is superior to the RD.A
>
> A A 4) But, I checked the
> [1][2][7]mishimoto.com
>
> <[8]http://mishimoto.com> website, they
> don't
>
> offer one
>
> A A for the Pantera (yet).AA But,
> I did leave an
> email
>
> suggesting
>
> that they
>
> A A market one.
>
> A A Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few
> other list
> members
> would
>
> contact them
>
> A A expressing a desire to buy their
> Pantera
> version,
> they
> might be
>
> A A motivated to start producing them.
> They make
>
> radiators for cars
>
> which
>
> A A are much lower volume than the
> Pantera.
>
> A A Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company,
> and their
>
> customer service
>
> is
>
> A A outstanding. The Lifetime warranty
> sold me.
>
> A A Final thought:
>
> A A The OEM Pantera radiator is a very
> good part;
> but,
> some
> of
>
> these were
>
> A A not built correctly. Technical
> Service Bulletin
> (TSB)
> #8,
>
> article 61
>
> A A describes a correcting modification
> which can be
> done by
> a
>
> competent
>
> A A radiator shop.
>
> A A FWIW,
>
> A A Al (3915)
>
> A
>
> A
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
> A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM,
> michael barnes
>
> A A <[2][3][9]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>
> <mailto:[10]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A I bought a Superior
> radiator,it was made
> upside
> down
> so
>
> obviously
>
> A A A wouldn't fit .After sales
> was shocking ,
> three
> months
> and no
>
> A A A replacement d-!
>
> A A A Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> A A A > On 29 Jun 2015, at
> 07:05, Ed Mendez
>
> <[3][4][11]edducati at mac.com
> <mailto:[12]edducati at mac.com>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A > I have a stock radiator
> for sale if anyone
>
> interested. It
>
> has a
>
> A A A radiator cap on it which
> weird but I suppose
> you
> can
> weld
>
> that off?
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A > Ed
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at
> 21:10, marshallgsmith
>
> A A A <[4][5][13]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> <mailto:[14]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Don't
> discount the original radiator.
> It is
> very
> good
>
> and has
>
> A A A cooled my
>
> A A A >>AA car for
> many years.All that is needed
> is
> modern
> day
>
> high volume
>
> A A A fans.
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Marshall
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Sent from
> my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
> smartphone
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA --------
> Original message --------
>
> A A A >>AA From:
> Julian Kift
>
> <[5][6][15]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> <mailto:[16]julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
>
> A A A >>AA Date:
> 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> A A A >>AA To:
> [6][7][17]mikeldrew at aol.com
>
> <mailto:[18]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
> [7][8][19]steve at snclocks.com
>
> <mailto:[20]steve at snclocks.com>,
>
> A A A [8][9][21]detomaso at poca.com
> <mailto:[22]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA Subject:
> Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>
> A A A >>AA For other
> options in aluminum Ron
> Davies
> makes a
> nice
>
> radiator
>
> A A A for the
>
> A A A >>AA Pantera by
> all accounts and Superior
>
> Radiator sells
>
> their
>
> A A A version on
>
> A A A >>AA eBay with
> some happy customers.
>
> A A A >>AA Julian
>
> A A A >>AA Date: Sun,
> 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>
> A A A >>AA To:
> [9][10][23]steve at snclocks.com
>
> <mailto:[24]steve at snclocks.com>;
>
> [10][11][25]detomaso at poca.com
> <mailto:[26]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA Subject:
> Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>
> A A A >>AA From:
> [11][12][27]detomaso at poca.com
>
> <mailto:[28]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA In a
> message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
>
> [12][13][29]steve at snclocks.com
> <mailto:[30]steve at snclocks.com>
>
> A A A writes:
>
> A A A >>> Whilst I am
> enjoying driving 5332, I
> noticed
> that I
> have
>
> a seep
>
> A A A from
>
> A A A >>> where one of
> the radiator tubes enters
> the header
>
> tank.AA Looks
>
> A A A like
>
> A A A >>AA it has
> been
>
> A A A >>> there a while,
> small seep, but left a
> puddle
> when I
> ran
>
> the
>
> A A A engine at
>
> A A A >>AA 1500
>
> A A A >>> rpm for 10
> minutes to charge the a/c.AA
> It's
> a
> Fluidyne
>
> A A A radiator,
>
> A A A >>AA bought
>
> A A A >>> and installed
> in 2011, with perhaps 4,000
> miles
> on it.
>
> A A A >>>
>
> A A A >>>>>
> Bummer.AA A Many have discovered to
> their
>
> sadness
>
> that
>
> A A A Fluidyne
>
> A A A >>AA radiators
>
> A A A >>AA (at least
> the first-generation models
> for
> the
> Pantera)
>
> cooled
>
> A A A very well
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A
>
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> A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM,
> michael barnes
>
> A A <[15][16][34]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>
> <mailto:[35]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A I bought a Superior
> radiator,it was made
> upside
> down
> so
>
> obviously
>
> A A A wouldn't fit .After sales
> was shocking ,
> three
> months
> and no
>
> A A A replacement d-!
>
> A A A Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> A A A > On 29 Jun 2015, at
> 07:05, Ed Mendez
>
> <[16][17][36]edducati at mac.com
> <mailto:[37]edducati at mac.com>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A > I have a stock radiator
> for sale if anyone
>
> interested. It
>
> has a
>
> A A A radiator cap on it which
> weird but I suppose
> you
> can
> weld
>
> that off?
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A > Ed
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at
> 21:10, marshallgsmith
>
> A A A <[17][18][38]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>
> <mailto:[39]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Don't
> discount the original radiator.
> It is
> very
> good
>
> and has
>
> A A A cooled my
>
> A A A >>AA car for
> many years.All that is needed
> is
> modern
> day
>
> high volume
>
> A A A fans.
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Marshall
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA Sent from
> my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
> smartphone
>
> A A A >>
>
> A A A >>AA --------
> Original message --------
>
> A A A >>AA From:
> Julian Kift
>
> <[18][19][40]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> <mailto:[41]julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
>
> A A A >>AA Date:
> 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> A A A >>AA To:
> [19][20][42]mikeldrew at aol.com
>
> <mailto:[43]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
>
> [20][21][44]steve at snclocks.com
> <mailto:[45]steve at snclocks.com>,
>
> A A A [21][22][46]detomaso at poca.com
> <mailto:[47]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA Subject:
> Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>
> A A A >>AA For other
> options in aluminum Ron
> Davies
> makes a
> nice
>
> radiator
>
> A A A for the
>
> A A A >>AA Pantera by
> all accounts and Superior
>
> Radiator sells
>
> their
>
> A A A version on
>
> A A A >>AA eBay with
> some happy customers.
>
> A A A >>AA Julian
>
> A A A >>AA Date: Sun,
> 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>
> A A A >>AA To:
> [22][23][48]steve at snclocks.com
>
> <mailto:[49]steve at snclocks.com>;
>
> [23][24][50]detomaso at poca.com
> <mailto:[51]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA Subject:
> Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>
> A A A >>AA From:
> [24][25][52]detomaso at poca.com
>
> <mailto:[53]detomaso at poca.com>
>
> A A A >>AA In a
> message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
>
> [25][26][54]steve at snclocks.com
> <mailto:[55]steve at snclocks.com>
>
> A A A writes:
>
> A A A >>> Whilst I am
> enjoying driving 5332, I
> noticed
> that I
> have
>
> a seep
>
> A A A from
>
> A A A >>> where one of
> the radiator tubes enters
> the header
>
> tank.AA Looks
>
> A A A like
>
> A A A >>AA it has
> been
>
> A A A >>> there a while,
> small seep, but left a
> puddle
> when I
> ran
>
> the
>
> A A A engine at
>
> A A A >>AA 1500
>
> A A A >>> rpm for 10
> minutes to charge the a/c.AA
> It's
> a
> Fluidyne
>
> A A A radiator,
>
> A A A >>AA bought
>
> A A A >>> and installed
> in 2011, with perhaps 4,000
> miles
> on it.
>
> A A A >>>
>
> A A A >>>>>
> Bummer.AA A Many have discovered to
> their
>
> sadness
>
> that
>
> A A A Fluidyne
>
> A A A >>AA radiators
>
> A A A >>AA (at least
> the first-generation models
> for
> the
> Pantera)
>
> cooled
>
> A A A very well
>
> A A A >
>
> A A A
>
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> 28.
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> 29. [166]http://mishimoto.com/
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> 32. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 33. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 35. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
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> 43. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 44. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 45. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
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> 70. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 71. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
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> 75. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
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> 80. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 81. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
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> 83. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 84. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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> 86. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 87. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 88. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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> 173. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
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> 175. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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> 194. mailto:edducati at mac.com
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