[DeTomaso] Radiators
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 14:27:01 EDT 2015
Quick reply from Mishimoto:
Charles,
Thanks for the E-mail!
Unfortunately, at this time we do not offer an aluminum radiator for the DeTomaso Pantera. I am sorry for any inconvenience. However, I will be happy to add your information to our product suggestion list! If we do decide to come out with a product that matches your description, we will be sure to contact you!
Please let me know if there is anything else I can help with!
Mishimoto strives for the best Customer Service. Have I fully resolved any questions or concerns you were contacting us about today?
Thanks,
Gerry – thanks for the info… Quite interested, although a little turned off by the fact that I would need new tubes under the chassis. A few years ago I bought all new SS tubing (so that it would never wear out!!) Let us know how you like it – I’m thinking that Santa would be a perfect guy to guy shopping for me, so I’m not in a hurry but am keeping my eyes open for the best solution
From: GR2835 at comcast.net [mailto:GR2835 at comcast.net]
Sent: lunes, 29 de junio de 2015 17:54
To: Charles McCall
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
Charles,
You wanted lifetime.........warranty
Independent Antique Radiator in Algonquin, Illinois , will be selling an all brass, 3 core, extruded tube (no seams), single pass radiator that is a direct replacement for a Pantera radiator. It even has the new dimpled fins for more heat dissapation........designed for the air conditioning condenser to be mounted in front and sucker fans recommended by Jon Haas to be mounted behind.
This radiator has the heat sensor screw in mounted on the drivers side as recommended by John Haas and included in his radiator fan controller kit.
This radiator requires new tubes to be made from the under chassis tubes.....Inlet on the passenger side and outlet on the drivers side.
Current prototype is running in my car. The radiator should be available in about 2 weeks....$650.00 .+ shipping..I can send pictures.
Their warranty is unconditional excluding damage not caused by manufacture.
Independent Antique Radiator
200 Berg St.
Algonquin, Il.
Image removed by sender.847-458-7400
Gerry
VP Great Lakes Pantera Club
_____
From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Al Chelini" <pantera at cox.net>
Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:29:21 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May be in the market for a new radiator, as mine
is marking its territory a Little more every day. A lifetime warranty would
be fantastic!
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini <pantera at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi, gang,
> FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
> (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD)
> radiator.A That RD unit developed some serious leaks along the top &
> bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
> thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
> After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
> 1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact
> with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
> impossible to TIG weld successfully.
> 2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....A about $1000,
> delivered.A But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty.
> Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
> replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
> consumable, like brake pads?
> 3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
> radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
> warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
> workmanship is superior to the RD.A
> 4) But, I checked the [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one
> for the Pantera (yet).A But, I did leave an email suggesting that they
> market one.
> Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
> expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
> motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which
> are much lower volume than the Pantera.
> Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
> outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
> Final thought:
> The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were
> not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61
> describes a correcting modification which can be done by a competent
> radiator shop.
> FWIW,
> Al (3915)
> ==================================================================
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
> <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
> wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
> replacement d-!
> Sent by Michael Barnes
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
> radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
> <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
> cooled my
> >>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
> fans.
> >>
> >>A Marshall
> >>
> >>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>A -------- Original message --------
> >>A From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>A To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]steve at snclocks.com,
> [8]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
> for the
> >>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
> version on
> >>A eBay with some happy customers.
> >>A Julian
> >>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>A To: [9]steve at snclocks.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
> writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
> from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A Looks
> like
> >>A it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
> engine at
> >>A 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
> radiator,
> >>A bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
> Fluidyne
> >>A radiators
> >>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
> very well
> >
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
> <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
> wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
> replacement d-!
> Sent by Michael Barnes
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
> radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
> <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
> cooled my
> >>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
> fans.
> >>
> >>A Marshall
> >>
> >>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>A -------- Original message --------
> >>A From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>A To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com, [20]steve at snclocks.com,
> [21]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
> for the
> >>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
> version on
> >>A eBay with some happy customers.
> >>A Julian
> >>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>A To: [22]steve at snclocks.com; [23]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
> writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
> from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A Looks
> like
> >>A it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
> engine at
> >>A 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
> radiator,
> >>A bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
> Fluidyne
> >>A radiators
> >>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
> very well
> >
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> References
>
> 1. http://mishimoto.com/
> 2. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 22. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 25. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
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Quick reply from Mishimoto:
Charles,
Thanks for the E-mail!
Unfortunately, at this time we do not offer an aluminum radiator for
the DeTomaso Pantera. I am sorry for any inconvenience. However, I will
be happy to add your information to our product suggestion list! If we
do decide to come out with a product that matches your description, we
will be sure to contact you!
Please let me know if there is anything else I can help with!
Mishimoto strives for the best Customer Service. Have I fully resolved
any questions or concerns you were contacting us about today?
Thanks,
Gerry - thanks for the info... Quite interested, although a little
turned off by the fact that I would need new tubes under the chassis. A
few years ago I bought all new SS tubing (so that it would never wear
out!!) Let us know how you like it - I'm thinking that Santa would be a
perfect guy to guy shopping for me, so I'm not in a hurry but am
keeping my eyes open for the best solution
From: GR2835 at comcast.net [mailto:GR2835 at comcast.net]
Sent: lunes, 29 de junio de 2015 17:54
To: Charles McCall
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
Charles,
You wanted lifetime.........warranty
Independent Antique Radiator in Algonquin, Illinois , will be
selling an all brass, 3 core, extruded tube (no seams), single pass
radiator that is a direct replacement for a Pantera radiator. It even
has the new dimpled fins for more heat dissapation........designed for
the air conditioning condenser to be mounted in front and sucker fans
recommended by Jon Haas to be mounted behind.
This radiator has the heat sensor screw in mounted on the drivers
side as recommended by John Haas and included in his radiator fan
controller kit.
This radiator requires new tubes to be made from the under chassis
tubes.....Inlet on the passenger side and outlet on the drivers side.
Current prototype is running in my car. The radiator should be
available in about 2 weeks....$650.00 .+ shipping..I can send pictures.
Their warranty is unconditional excluding damage not caused by
manufacture.
Independent Antique Radiator
200 Berg St.
Algonquin, Il.
Image removed by sender. 847-458-7400
Gerry
VP Great Lakes Pantera Club
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "Al Chelini" <pantera at cox.net>
Cc: "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com>, detomaso at poca.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:29:21 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May be in the market for a new radiator, as
mine
is marking its territory a Little more every day. A lifetime warranty
would
be fantastic!
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini <pantera at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi, gang,
> FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
> (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis
(RD)
> radiator.A That RD unit developed some serious leaks along the
top &
> bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
> thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
> After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
> 1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in
contact
> with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal,
making it
> impossible to TIG weld successfully.
> 2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....A about $1000,
> delivered.A But, with only their standard 90 day limited
warranty.
> Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
> replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
> consumable, like brake pads?
> 3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a
Mishimoto
> radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
> warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
> workmanship is superior to the RD.A
> 4) But, I checked the [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer
one
> for the Pantera (yet).A But, I did leave an email suggesting that
they
> market one.
> Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact
them
> expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
> motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars
which
> are much lower volume than the Pantera.
> Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
> outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
> Final thought:
> The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these
were
> not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article
61
> describes a correcting modification which can be done by a
competent
> radiator shop.
> FWIW,
> Al (3915)
> ==================================================================
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
> <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
obviously
> wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
> replacement d-!
> Sent by Michael Barnes
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has
a
> radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that
off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
> <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and
has
> cooled my
> >>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high
volume
> fans.
> >>
> >>A Marshall
> >>
> >>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>A -------- Original message --------
> >>A From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>A To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]steve at snclocks.com,
> [8]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
radiator
> for the
> >>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
> version on
> >>A eBay with some happy customers.
> >>A Julian
> >>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>A To: [9]steve at snclocks.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
> writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a
seep
> from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A
Looks
> like
> >>A it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
> engine at
> >>A 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
> radiator,
> >>A bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
> Fluidyne
> >>A radiators
> >>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
cooled
> very well
> >
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
> <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
obviously
> wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
> replacement d-!
> Sent by Michael Barnes
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com>
wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has
a
> radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that
off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
> <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and
has
> cooled my
> >>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high
volume
> fans.
> >>
> >>A Marshall
> >>
> >>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>A -------- Original message --------
> >>A From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>A To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com, [20]steve at snclocks.com,
> [21]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
radiator
> for the
> >>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
> version on
> >>A eBay with some happy customers.
> >>A Julian
> >>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>A To: [22]steve at snclocks.com; [23]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>A From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
> >>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
> writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a
seep
> from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A
Looks
> like
> >>A it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
> engine at
> >>A 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
> radiator,
> >>A bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
> Fluidyne
> >>A radiators
> >>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
cooled
> very well
> >
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> References
>
> 1. http://mishimoto.com/
> 2. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
> 15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
> 16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
> 17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
> 18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
> 20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 22. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
> 25. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
> 26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
> 27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
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