[DeTomaso] Radiators
Charles McCall
charlesmccall at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 10:56:28 EDT 2015
So, Thomas, I assume that that means that your radiator is clogged from
sludge (rust-slime stuff) that is far too fine for the Tefba, and that was
your motivation for installing a sacrificial node?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
> Den 2015-06-29 16:22, Charles McCall skrev:
>
>> Do you run any kind of Tefba filter (or equivalent) in your cooling
>> system?
>>
>
> Yes, forgot about that. I have a Tefba.
>
> I think that is about 10 years old too now. It doesn't see much crap
> anymore, but there was some after the engine rebuilds.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas at hax.se
>> <mailto:thomas at hax.se>> wrote:
>>
>> My Fluidyne radiator was installed 2005 and is still working fine.
>>
>> Last year I replaced the drain cock with a sacrifical anode, hoping
>> to avoid any galvanic corrosion.
>>
>> I had tried to get the stock brass radiator to work, but it was
>> plugged up in so many cells that it was no longer usable.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> Den 2015-06-29 14:29, Charles McCall skrev:
>>
>> Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May beA in the market for a new
>> radiator, as
>> mine is marking its territory a Little more every day. A
>> lifetime
>> warranty would be fantastic!
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini
>> <[1]pantera at cox.net <mailto:pantera at cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>> A A Hi, gang,
>> A A FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project
>> on another
>> A A (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with
>> a Ron
>> Davis (RD)
>> A A radiator.AA That RD unit developed some serious
>> leaks along
>> the top &
>> A A bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting
>> rails; and
>> I
>> A A thought I'd share this learning experience with the
>> group.
>> A A After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs,
>> I found
>> that:
>> A A 1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's
>> come in
>> contact
>> A A with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates
>> the metal,
>> making it
>> A A impossible to TIG weld successfully.
>> A A 2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....AA
>> about
>> $1000,
>> A A delivered.AA But, with only their standard 90 day
>> limited
>> warranty.
>> A A Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part,
>> when the GM
>> A A replacement version is only $150. Are these things
>> considered a
>> A A consumable, like brake pads?
>> A A 3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I
>> picked up a
>> Mishimoto
>> A A radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it
>> has a
>> Lifetime
>> A A warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims
>> that the
>> A A workmanship is superior to the RD.A
>> A A 4) But, I checked the [1][2]mishimoto.com
>> <http://mishimoto.com> website, they don't
>> offer one
>> A A for the Pantera (yet).AA But, I did leave an email
>> suggesting
>> that they
>> A A market one.
>> A A Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members
>> would
>> contact them
>> A A expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version,
>> they might be
>> A A motivated to start producing them. They make
>> radiators for cars
>> which
>> A A are much lower volume than the Pantera.
>> A A Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their
>> customer service
>> is
>> A A outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
>> A A Final thought:
>> A A The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but,
>> some of
>> these were
>> A A not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin
>> (TSB) #8,
>> article 61
>> A A describes a correcting modification which can be
>> done by a
>> competent
>> A A radiator shop.
>> A A FWIW,
>> A A Al (3915)
>> A
>> A
>> ==================================================================
>> A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
>> A A <[2][3]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>> A A A I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside
>> down so
>> obviously
>> A A A wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three
>> months and no
>> A A A replacement d-!
>> A A A Sent by Michael Barnes
>> A A A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez
>> <[3][4]edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
>> A A A >
>> A A A > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone
>> interested. It
>> has a
>> A A A radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you
>> can weld
>> that off?
>> A A A >
>> A A A > Ed
>> A A A >
>> A A A >
>> A A A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
>> A A A <[4][5]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Don't discount the original radiator. It is
>> very good
>> and has
>> A A A cooled my
>> A A A >>AA car for many years.All that is needed is
>> modern day
>> high volume
>> A A A fans.
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Marshall
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
>> smartphone
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA -------- Original message --------
>> A A A >>AA From: Julian Kift
>> <[5][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
>> A A A >>AA Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> A A A >>AA To: [6][7]mikeldrew at aol.com
>> <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>, [7][8]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>,
>> A A A [8][9]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>> A A A >>AA For other options in aluminum Ron Davies
>> makes a nice
>> radiator
>> A A A for the
>> A A A >>AA Pantera by all accounts and Superior
>> Radiator sells
>> their
>> A A A version on
>> A A A >>AA eBay with some happy customers.
>> A A A >>AA Julian
>> A A A >>AA Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>> A A A >>AA To: [9][10]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>;
>> [10][11]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>> A A A >>AA From: [11][12]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
>> [12][13]steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A A A writes:
>> A A A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed
>> that I have
>> a seep
>> A A A from
>> A A A >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the
>> header
>> tank.AA Looks
>> A A A like
>> A A A >>AA it has been
>> A A A >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle
>> when I ran
>> the
>> A A A engine at
>> A A A >>AA 1500
>> A A A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.AA It's
>> a Fluidyne
>> A A A radiator,
>> A A A >>AA bought
>> A A A >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000
>> miles on it.
>> A A A >>>
>> A A A >>>>> Bummer.AA A Many have discovered to their
>> sadness
>> that
>> A A A Fluidyne
>> A A A >>AA radiators
>> A A A >>AA (at least the first-generation models for
>> the Pantera)
>> cooled
>> A A A very well
>> A A A >
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>> A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
>> A A <[15][16]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>> A A A I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside
>> down so
>> obviously
>> A A A wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three
>> months and no
>> A A A replacement d-!
>> A A A Sent by Michael Barnes
>> A A A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez
>> <[16][17]edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>>
>> wrote:
>> A A A >
>> A A A > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone
>> interested. It
>> has a
>> A A A radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you
>> can weld
>> that off?
>> A A A >
>> A A A > Ed
>> A A A >
>> A A A >
>> A A A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
>> A A A <[17][18]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Don't discount the original radiator. It is
>> very good
>> and has
>> A A A cooled my
>> A A A >>AA car for many years.All that is needed is
>> modern day
>> high volume
>> A A A fans.
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Marshall
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
>> smartphone
>> A A A >>
>> A A A >>AA -------- Original message --------
>> A A A >>AA From: Julian Kift
>> <[18][19]julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> >>
>> A A A >>AA Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> A A A >>AA To: [19][20]mikeldrew at aol.com
>> <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>,
>> [20][21]steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>,
>> A A A [21][22]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:
>> detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>> A A A >>AA For other options in aluminum Ron Davies
>> makes a nice
>> radiator
>> A A A for the
>> A A A >>AA Pantera by all accounts and Superior
>> Radiator sells
>> their
>> A A A version on
>> A A A >>AA eBay with some happy customers.
>> A A A >>AA Julian
>> A A A >>AA Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>> A A A >>AA To: [22][23]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>;
>> [23][24]detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>> A A A >>AA From: [24][25]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A A >>AA In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
>> [25][26]steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A A A writes:
>> A A A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed
>> that I have
>> a seep
>> A A A from
>> A A A >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the
>> header
>> tank.AA Looks
>> A A A like
>> A A A >>AA it has been
>> A A A >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle
>> when I ran
>> the
>> A A A engine at
>> A A A >>AA 1500
>> A A A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.AA It's
>> a Fluidyne
>> A A A radiator,
>> A A A >>AA bought
>> A A A >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000
>> miles on it.
>> A A A >>>
>> A A A >>>>> Bummer.AA A Many have discovered to their
>> sadness
>> that
>> A A A Fluidyne
>> A A A >>AA radiators
>> A A A >>AA (at least the first-generation models for
>> the Pantera)
>> cooled
>> A A A very well
>> A A A >
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>> A A 1. [29]http://mishimoto.com/
>> A A 2. mailto:[30]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> A A 3. mailto:[31]edducati at mac.com <mailto:
>> edducati at mac.com>
>> A A 4. mailto:[32]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> A A 5. mailto:[33]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> A A 6. mailto:[34]mikeldrew at aol.com
>> <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> A A 7. mailto:[35]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A A 8. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A A 9. mailto:[37]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A 10. mailto:[38]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A 11. mailto:[39]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A 12. mailto:[40]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A 13. mailto:[41]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>> A 14. [42]
>> http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> A 15. mailto:[43]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
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>> A 16. mailto:[44]edducati at mac.com <mailto:
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>> A 17. mailto:[45]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> A 18. mailto:[46]julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> A 19. mailto:[47]mikeldrew at aol.com
>> <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> A 20. mailto:[48]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A 21. mailto:[49]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A 22. mailto:[50]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A 23. mailto:[51]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A 24. mailto:[52]detomaso at poca.com
>> <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> A 25. mailto:[53]steve at snclocks.com
>> <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> A 26. mailto:[54]DeTomaso at poca.com
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>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:pantera at cox.net <mailto:pantera at cox.net>
>> 2. http://mishimoto.com/
>> 3. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> 4. mailto:edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>
>> 5. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> 6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> 7. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> 8. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 10. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 13. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> 15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 16. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> 17. mailto:edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>
>> 18. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> 19. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> 20. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> 21. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 23. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 26. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> 28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 29. http://mishimoto.com/
>> 30. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> 31. mailto:edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>
>> 32. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> 33. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> 34. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> 35. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 36. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 37. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 38. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 39. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 40. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 41. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> 42. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 43. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> 44. mailto:edducati at mac.com <mailto:edducati at mac.com>
>> 45. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>> 46. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> 47. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> 48. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 49. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 50. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 51. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 52. mailto:detomaso at poca.com <mailto:detomaso at poca.com>
>> 53. mailto:steve at snclocks.com <mailto:steve at snclocks.com>
>> 54. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> 55. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>> 56. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com <mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com>
>> 57. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
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So, Thomas, I assume that that means that your radiator is clogged from
sludge (rust-slime stuff) that is far too fine for theA Tefba,A and
that was your motivation for installing a sacrificial node?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Thomas Tornblom <[1]thomas at hax.se>
wrote:
Den 2015-06-29 16:22, Charles McCall skrev:
Do you run any kind of Tefba filter (or equivalent) in your cooling
system?
Yes, forgot about that. I have a Tefba.
I think that is about 10 years old too now. It doesn't see much crap
anymore, but there was some after the engine rebuilds.
Cheers,
Thomas
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Thomas Tornblom <[2]thomas at hax.se
<mailto:[3]thomas at hax.se>> wrote:
A A My Fluidyne radiator was installed 2005 and is still working
fine.
A A Last year I replaced the drain cock with a sacrifical anode,
hoping
A A to avoid any galvanic corrosion.
A A I had tried to get the stock brass radiator to work, but it
was
A A plugged up in so many cells that it was no longer usable.
A A Thomas
A A Den 2015-06-29 14:29, Charles McCall skrev:
A A A A A A A Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May beA in the market
for a new
A A A A radiator, as
A A A A A A A mine is marking its territory a Little more
every day. A
A A A A lifetime
A A A A A A A warranty would be fantastic!
A A A A A A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini
A A A A <[1][4]pantera at cox.net <mailto:[5]pantera at cox.net>>
wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA A Hi, gang,
A A A A A A A A AA A FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky
radiator project
A A A A on another
A A A A A A A A AA A (extensively modified) make vehicle,
which came with
A A A A a Ron
A A A A A A A A Davis (RD)
A A A A A A A A AA A radiator.AAA That RD unit developed
some serious
A A A A leaks along
A A A A A A A A the top &
A A A A A A A A AA A bottom ends where the side tanks meet
the supporting
A A A A rails; and
A A A A A A A A I
A A A A A A A A AA A thought I'd share this learning
experience with the
A A A A group.
A A A A A A A A AA A After calling RD's Customer Support
seeking repairs,
A A A A I found
A A A A A A A A that:
A A A A A A A A AA A 1) they can't repair an aluminum
radiator once it's
A A A A come in
A A A A A A A A contact
A A A A A A A A AA A with radiator coolant. They claim it
contaminates
A A A A the metal,
A A A A A A A A making it
A A A A A A A A AA A impossible to TIG weld successfully.
A A A A A A A A AA A 2) they will be happy to sell me a new
unit .....AA
A A A A about
A A A A A A A A $1000,
A A A A A A A A AA A delivered.AAA But, with only their
standard 90 day
A A A A limited
A A A A A A A A warranty.
A A A A A A A A AA A Kinda' chintzy policy for such an
expensive part,
A A A A when the GM
A A A A A A A A AA A replacement version is only $150. Are
these things
A A A A considered a
A A A A A A A A AA A consumable, like brake pads?
A A A A A A A A AA A 3) On a recommendation from a trusted
source, I
A A A A picked up a
A A A A A A A A Mishimoto
A A A A A A A A AA A radiator for about 40% the cost of a
new RD, and it
A A A A has a
A A A A A A A A Lifetime
A A A A A A A A AA A warranty. Everyone who has seen the new
part claims
A A A A that the
A A A A A A A A AA A workmanship is superior to the RD.A
A A A A A A A A AA A 4) But, I checked the
[1][2][6]mishimoto.com
A A A A <[7]http://mishimoto.com> website, they don't
A A A A A A A A offer one
A A A A A A A A AA A for the Pantera (yet).AAA But, I did
leave an email
A A A A suggesting
A A A A A A A A that they
A A A A A A A A AA A market one.
A A A A A A A A AA A Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other
list members
A A A A would
A A A A A A A A contact them
A A A A A A A A AA A expressing a desire to buy their
Pantera version,
A A A A they might be
A A A A A A A A AA A motivated to start producing them. They
make
A A A A radiators for cars
A A A A A A A A which
A A A A A A A A AA A are much lower volume than the Pantera.
A A A A A A A A AA A Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and
their
A A A A customer service
A A A A A A A A is
A A A A A A A A AA A outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold
me.
A A A A A A A A AA A Final thought:
A A A A A A A A AA A The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good
part; but,
A A A A some of
A A A A A A A A these were
A A A A A A A A AA A not built correctly. Technical Service
Bulletin
A A A A (TSB) #8,
A A A A A A A A article 61
A A A A A A A A AA A describes a correcting modification
which can be
A A A A done by a
A A A A A A A A competent
A A A A A A A A AA A radiator shop.
A A A A A A A A AA A FWIW,
A A A A A A A A AA A Al (3915)
A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A
A A A A
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A A A A A A A A AA A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM,
michael barnes
A A A A A A A A AA A
<[2][3][8]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
A A A A <mailto:[9]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A I bought a Superior radiator,it was
made upside
A A A A down so
A A A A A A A A obviously
A A A A A A A A AA AA A wouldn't fit .After sales was
shocking , three
A A A A months and no
A A A A A A A A AA AA A replacement d-!
A A A A A A A A AA AA A Sent by Michael Barnes
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed
Mendez
A A A A A A A A <[3][4][10]edducati at mac.com
<mailto:[11]edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > I have a stock radiator for sale
if anyone
A A A A interested. It
A A A A A A A A has a
A A A A A A A A AA AA A radiator cap on it which weird but
I suppose you
A A A A can weld
A A A A A A A A that off?
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > Ed
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10,
marshallgsmith
A A A A A A A A AA AA A
<[4][5][12]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
A A A A <mailto:[13]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Don't discount the original
radiator. It is
A A A A very good
A A A A A A A A and has
A A A A A A A A AA AA A cooled my
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA car for many years.All that
is needed is
A A A A modern day
A A A A A A A A high volume
A A A A A A A A AA AA A fans.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Marshall
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--------
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA From: Julian Kift
A A A A <[5][6][14]julian_kift at hotmail.com
<mailto:[15]julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM
(GMT-08:00)
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA To:
[6][7][16]mikeldrew at aol.com
A A A A <mailto:[17]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
[7][8][18]steve at snclocks.com
A A A A <mailto:[19]steve at snclocks.com>,
A A A A A A A A AA AA A [8][9][20]detomaso at poca.com
<mailto:[21]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA For other options in
aluminum Ron Davies
A A A A makes a nice
A A A A A A A A radiator
A A A A A A A A AA AA A for the
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Pantera by all accounts and
Superior
A A A A Radiator sells
A A A A A A A A their
A A A A A A A A AA AA A version on
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA eBay with some happy
customers.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Julian
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015
21:10:23 -0400
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA To:
[9][10][22]steve at snclocks.com
A A A A <mailto:[23]steve at snclocks.com>;
A A A A A A A A [10][11][24]detomaso at poca.com
<mailto:[25]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA From:
[11][12][26]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A <mailto:[27]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA In a message dated 6/28/15
15 34 37,
A A A A A A A A [12][13][28]steve at snclocks.com
<mailto:[29]steve at snclocks.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A writes:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving
5332, I noticed
A A A A that I have
A A A A A A A A a seep
A A A A A A A A AA AA A from
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> where one of the radiator tubes
enters the header
A A A A A A A A tank.AAA Looks
A A A A A A A A AA AA A like
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA it has been
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> there a while, small seep, but
left a puddle
A A A A when I ran
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A AA AA A engine at
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA 1500
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge
the a/c.AAA It's
A A A A a Fluidyne
A A A A A A A A AA AA A radiator,
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA bought
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> and installed in 2011, with
perhaps 4,000
A A A A miles on it.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>>>> Bummer.AAA A Many have
discovered to their
A A A A sadness
A A A A A A A A that
A A A A A A A A AA AA A Fluidyne
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA (at least the
first-generation models for
A A A A the Pantera)
A A A A A A A A cooled
A A A A A A A A AA AA A very well
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A
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A A A A A A A A AA A
<[15][16][33]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
A A A A <mailto:[34]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A I bought a Superior radiator,it was
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A A A A down so
A A A A A A A A obviously
A A A A A A A A AA AA A wouldn't fit .After sales was
shocking , three
A A A A months and no
A A A A A A A A AA AA A replacement d-!
A A A A A A A A AA AA A Sent by Michael Barnes
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed
Mendez
A A A A A A A A <[16][17][35]edducati at mac.com
<mailto:[36]edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > I have a stock radiator for sale
if anyone
A A A A interested. It
A A A A A A A A has a
A A A A A A A A AA AA A radiator cap on it which weird but
I suppose you
A A A A can weld
A A A A A A A A that off?
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A > Ed
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10,
marshallgsmith
A A A A A A A A AA AA A
<[17][18][37]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
A A A A <mailto:[38]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Don't discount the original
radiator. It is
A A A A very good
A A A A A A A A and has
A A A A A A A A AA AA A cooled my
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA car for many years.All that
is needed is
A A A A modern day
A A A A A A A A high volume
A A A A A A A A AA AA A fans.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Marshall
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Sent from my Verizon
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A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA -------- Original message
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A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA From: Julian Kift
A A A A <[18][19][39]julian_kift at hotmail.com
<mailto:[40]julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM
(GMT-08:00)
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA To:
[19][20][41]mikeldrew at aol.com
A A A A <mailto:[42]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
A A A A A A A A [20][21][43]steve at snclocks.com
<mailto:[44]steve at snclocks.com>,
A A A A A A A A AA AA A [21][22][45]detomaso at poca.com
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A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA For other options in
aluminum Ron Davies
A A A A makes a nice
A A A A A A A A radiator
A A A A A A A A AA AA A for the
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Pantera by all accounts and
Superior
A A A A Radiator sells
A A A A A A A A their
A A A A A A A A AA AA A version on
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA eBay with some happy
customers.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Julian
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015
21:10:23 -0400
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA To:
[22][23][47]steve at snclocks.com
A A A A <mailto:[48]steve at snclocks.com>;
A A A A A A A A [23][24][49]detomaso at poca.com
<mailto:[50]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
Radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA From:
[24][25][51]detomaso at poca.com
A A A A <mailto:[52]detomaso at poca.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA In a message dated 6/28/15
15 34 37,
A A A A A A A A [25][26][53]steve at snclocks.com
<mailto:[54]steve at snclocks.com>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A writes:
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving
5332, I noticed
A A A A that I have
A A A A A A A A a seep
A A A A A A A A AA AA A from
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> where one of the radiator tubes
enters the header
A A A A A A A A tank.AAA Looks
A A A A A A A A AA AA A like
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA it has been
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> there a while, small seep, but
left a puddle
A A A A when I ran
A A A A A A A A the
A A A A A A A A AA AA A engine at
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA 1500
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge
the a/c.AAA It's
A A A A a Fluidyne
A A A A A A A A AA AA A radiator,
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA bought
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>> and installed in 2011, with
perhaps 4,000
A A A A miles on it.
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>>
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>>>> Bummer.AAA A Many have
discovered to their
A A A A sadness
A A A A A A A A that
A A A A A A A A AA AA A Fluidyne
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA radiators
A A A A A A A A AA AA A >>AAA (at least the
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A A A A the Pantera)
A A A A A A A A cooled
A A A A A A A A AA AA A very well
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