[DeTomaso] Radiators

Charles McCall charlesmccall at gmail.com
Mon Jun 29 08:29:21 EDT 2015


Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May be in the market for a new radiator, as mine
is marking its territory a Little more every day. A lifetime warranty would
be fantastic!

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini <pantera at cox.net> wrote:

>    Hi, gang,
>    FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
>    (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD)
>    radiator.A  That RD unit developed some serious leaks along the top &
>    bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
>    thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
>    After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
>    1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact
>    with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
>    impossible to TIG weld successfully.
>    2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....A  about $1000,
>    delivered.A  But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty.
>    Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
>    replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
>    consumable, like brake pads?
>    3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
>    radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
>    warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
>    workmanship is superior to the RD.A
>    4) But, I checked the [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one
>    for the Pantera (yet).A  But, I did leave an email suggesting that they
>    market one.
>    Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
>    expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
>    motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which
>    are much lower volume than the Pantera.
>    Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
>    outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
>    Final thought:
>    The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were
>    not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61
>    describes a correcting modification which can be done by a competent
>    radiator shop.
>    FWIW,
>    Al (3915)
>    ==================================================================
>    On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
>    <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>      I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
>      wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
>      replacement d-!
>      Sent by Michael Barnes
>      > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>      >
>      > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
>      radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
>      >
>      > Ed
>      >
>      >
>      >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
>      <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>A  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
>      cooled my
>      >>A  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
>      fans.
>      >>
>      >>A  Marshall
>      >>
>      >>A  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>      >>
>      >>A  -------- Original message --------
>      >>A  From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      >>A  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>      >>A  To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]steve at snclocks.com,
>      [8]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>      >>A  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
>      for the
>      >>A  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
>      version on
>      >>A  eBay with some happy customers.
>      >>A  Julian
>      >>A  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>      >>A  To: [9]steve at snclocks.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>      >>A  From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
>      writes:
>      >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
>      from
>      >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A  Looks
>      like
>      >>A  it has been
>      >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
>      engine at
>      >>A  1500
>      >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
>      radiator,
>      >>A  bought
>      >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
>      >>>
>      >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered to their sadness that
>      Fluidyne
>      >>A  radiators
>      >>A  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
>      very well
>      >
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>    On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
>    <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>      I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
>      wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
>      replacement d-!
>      Sent by Michael Barnes
>      > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>      >
>      > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
>      radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
>      >
>      > Ed
>      >
>      >
>      >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
>      <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>A  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
>      cooled my
>      >>A  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
>      fans.
>      >>
>      >>A  Marshall
>      >>
>      >>A  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>      >>
>      >>A  -------- Original message --------
>      >>A  From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>      >>A  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>      >>A  To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com, [20]steve at snclocks.com,
>      [21]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>      >>A  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
>      for the
>      >>A  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
>      version on
>      >>A  eBay with some happy customers.
>      >>A  Julian
>      >>A  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>      >>A  To: [22]steve at snclocks.com; [23]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>      >>A  From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
>      >>A  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
>      writes:
>      >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
>      from
>      >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A  Looks
>      like
>      >>A  it has been
>      >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
>      engine at
>      >>A  1500
>      >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
>      radiator,
>      >>A  bought
>      >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
>      >>>
>      >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered to their sadness that
>      Fluidyne
>      >>A  radiators
>      >>A  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
>      very well
>      >
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> References
>
>    1. http://mishimoto.com/
>    2. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>    3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>    4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>    5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>    6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
>    7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>    8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>    9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>   15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
>   16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
>   17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
>   18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
>   19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
>   20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   22. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
>   25. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
>   26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
>   27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
>
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   Inquiry sent, Al, thanks. May beA in the market for a new radiator, as
   mine is marking its territory a Little more every day. A lifetime
   warranty would be fantastic!

   On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Al Chelini <[1]pantera at cox.net> wrote:

     A  A Hi, gang,
     A  A FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
     A  A (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron
     Davis (RD)
     A  A radiator.AA  That RD unit developed some serious leaks along
     the top &
     A  A bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and
     I
     A  A thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
     A  A After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found
     that:
     A  A 1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in
     contact
     A  A with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal,
     making it
     A  A impossible to TIG weld successfully.
     A  A 2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....AA  about
     $1000,
     A  A delivered.AA  But, with only their standard 90 day limited
     warranty.
     A  A Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
     A  A replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
     A  A consumable, like brake pads?
     A  A 3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a
     Mishimoto
     A  A radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a
     Lifetime
     A  A warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
     A  A workmanship is superior to the RD.A
     A  A 4) But, I checked the [1][2]mishimoto.com website, they don't
     offer one
     A  A for the Pantera (yet).AA  But, I did leave an email suggesting
     that they
     A  A market one.
     A  A Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would
     contact them
     A  A expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
     A  A motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars
     which
     A  A are much lower volume than the Pantera.
     A  A Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service
     is
     A  A outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
     A  A Final thought:
     A  A The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of
     these were
     A  A not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8,
     article 61
     A  A describes a correcting modification which can be done by a
     competent
     A  A radiator shop.
     A  A FWIW,
     A  A Al (3915)
     A
     A ==================================================================
     A  A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
     A  A <[2][3]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
     A  A  A I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
     obviously
     A  A  A wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
     A  A  A replacement d-!
     A  A  A Sent by Michael Barnes
     A  A  A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez
     <[3][4]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It
     has a
     A  A  A radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld
     that off?
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A > Ed
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
     A  A  A <[4][5]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good
     and has
     A  A  A cooled my
     A  A  A >>AA  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day
     high volume
     A  A  A fans.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Marshall
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A >>AA  From: Julian Kift <[5][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A >>AA  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A >>AA  To: [6][7]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7][8]steve at snclocks.com,
     A  A  A [8][9]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
     radiator
     A  A  A for the
     A  A  A >>AA  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells
     their
     A  A  A version on
     A  A  A >>AA  eBay with some happy customers.
     A  A  A >>AA  Julian
     A  A  A >>AA  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
     A  A  A >>AA  To: [9][10]steve at snclocks.com;
     [10][11]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  From: [11][12]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
     [12][13]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A  A writes:
     A  A  A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have
     a seep
     A  A  A from
     A  A  A >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header
     tank.AA  Looks
     A  A  A like
     A  A  A >>AA  it has been
     A  A  A >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran
     the
     A  A  A engine at
     A  A  A >>AA  1500
     A  A  A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.AA  It's a Fluidyne
     A  A  A radiator,
     A  A  A >>AA  bought
     A  A  A >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
     A  A  A >>>
     A  A  A >>>>> Bummer.AA  A Many have discovered to their sadness
     that
     A  A  A Fluidyne
     A  A  A >>AA  radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
     cooled
     A  A  A very well
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A _______________________________________________
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     A  A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
     A  A <[15][16]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
     A  A  A I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so
     obviously
     A  A  A wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
     A  A  A replacement d-!
     A  A  A Sent by Michael Barnes
     A  A  A > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez
     <[16][17]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It
     has a
     A  A  A radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld
     that off?
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A > Ed
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >
     A  A  A >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
     A  A  A <[17][18]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good
     and has
     A  A  A cooled my
     A  A  A >>AA  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day
     high volume
     A  A  A fans.
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Marshall
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     A  A  A >>
     A  A  A >>AA  -------- Original message --------
     A  A  A >>AA  From: Julian Kift <[18][19]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     A  A  A >>AA  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
     A  A  A >>AA  To: [19][20]mikeldrew at aol.com,
     [20][21]steve at snclocks.com,
     A  A  A [21][22]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice
     radiator
     A  A  A for the
     A  A  A >>AA  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells
     their
     A  A  A version on
     A  A  A >>AA  eBay with some happy customers.
     A  A  A >>AA  Julian
     A  A  A >>AA  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
     A  A  A >>AA  To: [22][23]steve at snclocks.com;
     [23][24]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  From: [24][25]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A  A >>AA  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37,
     [25][26]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A  A writes:
     A  A  A >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have
     a seep
     A  A  A from
     A  A  A >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header
     tank.AA  Looks
     A  A  A like
     A  A  A >>AA  it has been
     A  A  A >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran
     the
     A  A  A engine at
     A  A  A >>AA  1500
     A  A  A >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.AA  It's a Fluidyne
     A  A  A radiator,
     A  A  A >>AA  bought
     A  A  A >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
     A  A  A >>>
     A  A  A >>>>> Bummer.AA  A Many have discovered to their sadness
     that
     A  A  A Fluidyne
     A  A  A >>AA  radiators
     A  A  A >>AA  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera)
     cooled
     A  A  A very well
     A  A  A >
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     A  A 2. mailto:[30]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
     A  A 3. mailto:[31]edducati at mac.com
     A  A 4. mailto:[32]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  A 5. mailto:[33]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  A 6. mailto:[34]mikeldrew at aol.com
     A  A 7. mailto:[35]steve at snclocks.com
     A  A 8. mailto:[36]detomaso at poca.com
     A  A 9. mailto:[37]steve at snclocks.com
     A  10. mailto:[38]detomaso at poca.com
     A  11. mailto:[39]detomaso at poca.com
     A  12. mailto:[40]steve at snclocks.com
     A  13. mailto:[41]DeTomaso at poca.com
     A  14. [42]http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
     A  15. mailto:[43]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
     A  16. mailto:[44]edducati at mac.com
     A  17. mailto:[45]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
     A  18. mailto:[46]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     A  19. mailto:[47]mikeldrew at aol.com
     A  20. mailto:[48]steve at snclocks.com
     A  21. mailto:[49]detomaso at poca.com
     A  22. mailto:[50]steve at snclocks.com
     A  23. mailto:[51]detomaso at poca.com
     A  24. mailto:[52]detomaso at poca.com
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References

   1. mailto:pantera at cox.net
   2. http://mishimoto.com/
   3. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
   4. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   5. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   7. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   8. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
   9. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  10. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  12. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  13. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  15. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  16. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
  17. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  18. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  19. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  20. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  21. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  22. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  23. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  25. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  26. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  27. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  28. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  29. http://mishimoto.com/
  30. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
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