[DeTomaso] Radiators

Al Chelini pantera at cox.net
Mon Jun 29 07:44:42 EDT 2015


Hi, gang,

FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another (extensively
modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD) radiator.  That RD
unit developed some serious leaks along the top & bottom ends where the
side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I thought I'd share this learning
experience with the group.

After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact with
radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
impossible to TIG weld successfully.
2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....  about $1000, delivered.
But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty. Kinda' chintzy
policy for such an expensive part, when the GM replacement version is only
$150. Are these things considered a consumable, like brake pads?
3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a *Lifetime*
warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the workmanship is
superior to the RD.
4) But, I checked the mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one for the
Pantera (yet).  But, I did leave an email suggesting that they market one.

Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be motivated
to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which are much lower
volume than the Pantera.

Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.

Final thought:
The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were not
built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61 describes
a correcting modification which can be done by a competent radiator shop.

FWIW,
Al (3915)
==================================================================


On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes <
michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously wouldn't
> fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no replacement 😡
>
> Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a radiator
> cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has cooled my
> >>  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume fans.
> >>
> >>  Marshall
> >>
> >>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>  -------- Original message --------
> >>  From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>  To: mikeldrew at aol.com, steve at snclocks.com, detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator for the
> >>  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their version on
> >>  eBay with some happy customers.
> >>  Julian
> >>  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>  To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>  From: detomaso at poca.com
> >>  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, steve at snclocks.com writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.  Looks like
> >>  it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the engine at
> >>  1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.  It's a Fluidyne radiator,
> >>  bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.   Many have discovered to their sadness that Fluidyne
> >>  radiators
> >>  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled very well
> >
>
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes <
michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously wouldn't
> fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no replacement 😡
>
> Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a radiator
> cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has cooled my
> >>  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume fans.
> >>
> >>  Marshall
> >>
> >>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>  -------- Original message --------
> >>  From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >>  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>  To: mikeldrew at aol.com, steve at snclocks.com, detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator for the
> >>  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their version on
> >>  eBay with some happy customers.
> >>  Julian
> >>  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >>  To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >>  From: detomaso at poca.com
> >>  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, steve at snclocks.com writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.  Looks like
> >>  it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the engine at
> >>  1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.  It's a Fluidyne radiator,
> >>  bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer.   Many have discovered to their sadness that Fluidyne
> >>  radiators
> >>  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled very well
> >
>
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   Hi, gang,
   FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
   (extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD)
   radiator.A  That RD unit developed some serious leaks along the top &
   bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
   thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
   After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
   1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact
   with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
   impossible to TIG weld successfully.
   2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....A  about $1000,
   delivered.A  But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty.
   Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
   replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
   consumable, like brake pads?
   3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
   radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
   warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
   workmanship is superior to the RD.A
   4) But, I checked the [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one
   for the Pantera (yet).A  But, I did leave an email suggesting that they
   market one.
   Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
   expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
   motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which
   are much lower volume than the Pantera.
   Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
   outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
   Final thought:
   The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were
   not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61
   describes a correcting modification which can be done by a competent
   radiator shop.
   FWIW,
   Al (3915)
   ==================================================================
   On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
   <[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

     I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
     wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
     replacement d-!
     Sent by Michael Barnes
     > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     >
     > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
     radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
     >
     > Ed
     >
     >
     >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
     <[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     >>
     >>A  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
     cooled my
     >>A  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
     fans.
     >>
     >>A  Marshall
     >>
     >>A  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     >>
     >>A  -------- Original message --------
     >>A  From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     >>A  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
     >>A  To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]steve at snclocks.com,
     [8]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     >>A  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
     for the
     >>A  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
     version on
     >>A  eBay with some happy customers.
     >>A  Julian
     >>A  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
     >>A  To: [9]steve at snclocks.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     >>A  From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
     writes:
     >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
     from
     >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A  Looks
     like
     >>A  it has been
     >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
     engine at
     >>A  1500
     >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
     radiator,
     >>A  bought
     >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
     >>>
     >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered to their sadness that
     Fluidyne
     >>A  radiators
     >>A  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
     very well
     >
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   On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
   <[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

     I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
     wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
     replacement d-!
     Sent by Michael Barnes
     > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
     >
     > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
     radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
     >
     > Ed
     >
     >
     >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
     <[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
     >>
     >>A  Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
     cooled my
     >>A  car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
     fans.
     >>
     >>A  Marshall
     >>
     >>A  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
     >>
     >>A  -------- Original message --------
     >>A  From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     >>A  Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
     >>A  To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com, [20]steve at snclocks.com,
     [21]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     >>A  For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
     for the
     >>A  Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
     version on
     >>A  eBay with some happy customers.
     >>A  Julian
     >>A  Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
     >>A  To: [22]steve at snclocks.com; [23]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
     >>A  From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
     >>A  In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
     writes:
     >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
     from
     >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A  Looks
     like
     >>A  it has been
     >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
     engine at
     >>A  1500
     >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A  It's a Fluidyne
     radiator,
     >>A  bought
     >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
     >>>
     >>>>> Bummer.A  A Many have discovered to their sadness that
     Fluidyne
     >>A  radiators
     >>A  (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
     very well
     >
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References

   1. http://mishimoto.com/
   2. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
   3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
   5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
   8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
  15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
  16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
  17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
  18. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
  20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  22. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  23. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
  25. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
  26. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
  27. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com


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