[DeTomaso] Radiators
Al Chelini
pantera at cox.net
Mon Jun 29 07:44:42 EDT 2015
Hi, gang,
FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another (extensively
modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD) radiator. That RD
unit developed some serious leaks along the top & bottom ends where the
side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I thought I'd share this learning
experience with the group.
After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact with
radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
impossible to TIG weld successfully.
2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit ..... about $1000, delivered.
But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty. Kinda' chintzy
policy for such an expensive part, when the GM replacement version is only
$150. Are these things considered a consumable, like brake pads?
3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a *Lifetime*
warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the workmanship is
superior to the RD.
4) But, I checked the mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one for the
Pantera (yet). But, I did leave an email suggesting that they market one.
Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be motivated
to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which are much lower
volume than the Pantera.
Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
Final thought:
The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were not
built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61 describes
a correcting modification which can be done by a competent radiator shop.
FWIW,
Al (3915)
==================================================================
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes <
michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously wouldn't
> fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no replacement 😡
>
> Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a radiator
> cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has cooled my
> >> car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume fans.
> >>
> >> Marshall
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: mikeldrew at aol.com, steve at snclocks.com, detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >> For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator for the
> >> Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their version on
> >> eBay with some happy customers.
> >> Julian
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >> To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >> From: detomaso at poca.com
> >> In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, steve at snclocks.com writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank. Looks like
> >> it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the engine at
> >> 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c. It's a Fluidyne radiator,
> >> bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer. Many have discovered to their sadness that Fluidyne
> >> radiators
> >> (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled very well
> >
>
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes <
michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously wouldn't
> fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no replacement 😡
>
> Sent by Michael Barnes
>
> > On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <edducati at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a radiator
> cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has cooled my
> >> car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume fans.
> >>
> >> Marshall
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >> Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: mikeldrew at aol.com, steve at snclocks.com, detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >> For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator for the
> >> Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their version on
> >> eBay with some happy customers.
> >> Julian
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
> >> To: steve at snclocks.com; detomaso at poca.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
> >> From: detomaso at poca.com
> >> In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, steve at snclocks.com writes:
> >>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep from
> >>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank. Looks like
> >> it has been
> >>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the engine at
> >> 1500
> >>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c. It's a Fluidyne radiator,
> >> bought
> >>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
> >>>
> >>>>> Bummer. Many have discovered to their sadness that Fluidyne
> >> radiators
> >> (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled very well
> >
>
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Hi, gang,
FWIW, I just got thru with a leaky radiator project on another
(extensively modified) make vehicle, which came with a Ron Davis (RD)
radiator.A That RD unit developed some serious leaks along the top &
bottom ends where the side tanks meet the supporting rails; and I
thought I'd share this learning experience with the group.
After calling RD's Customer Support seeking repairs, I found that:
1) they can't repair an aluminum radiator once it's come in contact
with radiator coolant. They claim it contaminates the metal, making it
impossible to TIG weld successfully.
2) they will be happy to sell me a new unit .....A about $1000,
delivered.A But, with only their standard 90 day limited warranty.
Kinda' chintzy policy for such an expensive part, when the GM
replacement version is only $150. Are these things considered a
consumable, like brake pads?
3) On a recommendation from a trusted source, I picked up a Mishimoto
radiator for about 40% the cost of a new RD, and it has a Lifetime
warranty. Everyone who has seen the new part claims that the
workmanship is superior to the RD.A
4) But, I checked the [1]mishimoto.com website, they don't offer one
for the Pantera (yet).A But, I did leave an email suggesting that they
market one.
Here's the pitch: Maybe if a few other list members would contact them
expressing a desire to buy their Pantera version, they might be
motivated to start producing them. They make radiators for cars which
are much lower volume than the Pantera.
Bonus: Mishimoto is a huge company, and their customer service is
outstanding. The Lifetime warranty sold me.
Final thought:
The OEM Pantera radiator is a very good part; but, some of these were
not built correctly. Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #8, article 61
describes a correcting modification which can be done by a competent
radiator shop.
FWIW,
Al (3915)
==================================================================
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
<[2]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
replacement d-!
Sent by Michael Barnes
> On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[3]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
>
> Ed
>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
<[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
cooled my
>>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
fans.
>>
>>A Marshall
>>
>>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>A -------- Original message --------
>>A From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>A To: [6]mikeldrew at aol.com, [7]steve at snclocks.com,
[8]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
for the
>>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
version on
>>A eBay with some happy customers.
>>A Julian
>>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>>A To: [9]steve at snclocks.com; [10]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>>A From: [11]detomaso at poca.com
>>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [12]steve at snclocks.com
writes:
>>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
from
>>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A Looks
like
>>A it has been
>>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
engine at
>>A 1500
>>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
radiator,
>>A bought
>>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
>>>
>>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
Fluidyne
>>A radiators
>>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
very well
>
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 1:26 AM, michael barnes
<[15]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I bought a Superior radiator,it was made upside down so obviously
wouldn't fit .After sales was shocking , three months and no
replacement d-!
Sent by Michael Barnes
> On 29 Jun 2015, at 07:05, Ed Mendez <[16]edducati at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I have a stock radiator for sale if anyone interested. It has a
radiator cap on it which weird but I suppose you can weld that off?
>
> Ed
>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 21:10, marshallgsmith
<[17]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>A Don't discount the original radiator. It is very good and has
cooled my
>>A car for many years.All that is needed is modern day high volume
fans.
>>
>>A Marshall
>>
>>A Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>A -------- Original message --------
>>A From: Julian Kift <[18]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>A Date: 06/28/2015 8:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>A To: [19]mikeldrew at aol.com, [20]steve at snclocks.com,
[21]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>>A For other options in aluminum Ron Davies makes a nice radiator
for the
>>A Pantera by all accounts and Superior Radiator sells their
version on
>>A eBay with some happy customers.
>>A Julian
>>A Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 21:10:23 -0400
>>A To: [22]steve at snclocks.com; [23]detomaso at poca.com
>>A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiators
>>A From: [24]detomaso at poca.com
>>A In a message dated 6/28/15 15 34 37, [25]steve at snclocks.com
writes:
>>> Whilst I am enjoying driving 5332, I noticed that I have a seep
from
>>> where one of the radiator tubes enters the header tank.A Looks
like
>>A it has been
>>> there a while, small seep, but left a puddle when I ran the
engine at
>>A 1500
>>> rpm for 10 minutes to charge the a/c.A It's a Fluidyne
radiator,
>>A bought
>>> and installed in 2011, with perhaps 4,000 miles on it.
>>>
>>>>> Bummer.A A Many have discovered to their sadness that
Fluidyne
>>A radiators
>>A (at least the first-generation models for the Pantera) cooled
very well
>
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3. mailto:edducati at mac.com
4. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
6. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
7. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
8. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
10. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
11. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
12. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
13. mailto:DeTomaso at poca.com
14. http://poca.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso_poca.com
15. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk
16. mailto:edducati at mac.com
17. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
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19. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
20. mailto:steve at snclocks.com
21. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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24. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
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