[DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
MikeLDrew at aol.com
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Thu Jun 11 00:25:55 EDT 2015
In a message dated 6/10/15 15 16 58, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
> Would you be happy having mismatching wheels?
>
>>>Well, I'm a bit unusual in that regard in that I took extra lengths to
make sure I had 1973-74 wheels to match my 10-inch rears. But most owners
of '71-72 cars don't seem to care that much, and I'd guess that more cars
have Pre-L front wheels with 10-inch wheels than don't.
> > I wouldn't pay $1,700 each for the 10x15, they don't fit a wide body
> rear...... but I would want to know that front and rear are going to look
> aesthetically the same when I'm done if I was getting them, that's all.
>
>>>Which is why you would do what I did, and seek out '73-74 8-inch wheels
if you didn't already have them. Of course, most people don't pick up on
the subtle differences and don't care as much, and are quite happy with Pre-L
wheels on the front.
>
> >Pricing is an interesting discussion; it's a similar situation with the
> GP4 wheels; new wheels cast because of the exorbitant price of used ones
> (driven solely by supply and demand) and yet the new castings are more
> expensive than used?
>
>>>Well, the cost to buy an existing something has no bearing on the cost
to produce a new something. However, it only becomes economically viable
when the cost of the existing something approaches what the new something
would sell for.
GT5 wheels have always been expensive. When I was shopping for my Pantera
in 1989, I toyed with the idea of a GT5, but would have insisted on proper
wheels for it. When I discovered that (in 1989) they were selling for
about $1300 each, I quickly dismissed that idea. Since then, the cost of those
wheels has only gone up. I've had several sets pass through my hands as I
acted as intermediary between seller and buyer. I was amazed when the
first set went for $6000, then the second one went for $7500, and they have
gone up since then.
So the new-production wheels at 1800 Euros are only slightly more expensive
(if at all) compared to what would be reasonable (to the extent any such
purchase can be considered reasonable) to pay for used wheels, whose condition
will always be somewhat unknown. Marvic is a fantastic company and for
your money, you're getting a known good (make that GREAT) quantity. The fact
that the rears are in the more desirable 14x15 (we're still talking about
GT5, Gr4-spec wheels here) is that much better. I've seen a pair of the
very rare original 14x15 wheels sell for $8000, with no fronts included!
When it comes to the 15x10 wheels for the rear of the narrow-body cars, the
same story applies. For years they would trade in the $750-1000 each
neighborhood. Only recently have they gone up substantially. Last week a
friend bought two complete sets of wheels (8s and 10s) with tires and paid
$8000, and he feels like he got a great deal. I have to agree.
But with 15x8 wheels to match the new 15x10 wheels available for $100-200
each all day long, it would be a fool's errand to tool up to produce them
new.
I, for one, applaud the efforts of Patrick Hals to put the Gr4/GT5 wheels
back into production, and urge people to support Ed in his most noble effort
too. I've been doing what I can to help him out (doing everything short of
committing to buy a pair for myself, since I already have two pairs). If
you've always wanted a set of these wheels and haven't been able to find
them, it seems like a no-brainer to step up and put yourself on the list
now....
Mike
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In a message dated 6/10/15 15 16 58, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
Would you be happy having mismatching wheels?
>>>Well, I'm a bit unusual in that regard in that I took extra lengths
to make sure I had 1973-74 wheels to match my 10-inch rears. But most
owners of '71-72 cars don't seem to care that much, and I'd guess that
more cars have Pre-L front wheels with 10-inch wheels than don't.
> I wouldn't pay $1,700 each for the 10x15, they don't fit a wide
body rear...... but I would want to know that front and rear are
going to look aesthetically the same when I'm done if I was getting
them, that's all.
>>>Which is why you would do what I did, and seek out '73-74 8-inch
wheels if you didn't already have them. Of course, most people don't
pick up on the subtle differences and don't care as much, and are quite
happy with Pre-L wheels on the front.
>Pricing is an interesting discussion; it's a similar situation with
the GP4 wheels; new wheels cast because of the exorbitant price of
used ones (driven solely by supply and demand) and yet the new
castings are more expensive than used?
>>>Well, the cost to buy an existing something has no bearing on the
cost to produce a new something. However, it only becomes economically
viable when the cost of the existing something approaches what the new
something would sell for.
GT5 wheels have always been expensive. When I was shopping for my
Pantera in 1989, I toyed with the idea of a GT5, but would have
insisted on proper wheels for it. When I discovered that (in 1989)
they were selling for about $1300 each, I quickly dismissed that idea.
Since then, the cost of those wheels has only gone up. I've had
several sets pass through my hands as I acted as intermediary between
seller and buyer. I was amazed when the first set went for $6000, then
the second one went for $7500, and they have gone up since then.
So the new-production wheels at 1800 Euros are only slightly more
expensive (if at all) compared to what would be reasonable (to the
extent any such purchase can be considered reasonable) to pay for used
wheels, whose condition will always be somewhat unknown. Marvic is a
fantastic company and for your money, you're getting a known good (make
that GREAT) quantity. The fact that the rears are in the more
desirable 14x15 (we're still talking about GT5, Gr4-spec wheels here)
is that much better. I've seen a pair of the very rare original 14x15
wheels sell for $8000, with no fronts included!
When it comes to the 15x10 wheels for the rear of the narrow-body cars,
the same story applies. For years they would trade in the $750-1000
each neighborhood. Only recently have they gone up substantially.
Last week a friend bought two complete sets of wheels (8s and 10s) with
tires and paid $8000, and he feels like he got a great deal. I have to
agree.
But with 15x8 wheels to match the new 15x10 wheels available for
$100-200 each all day long, it would be a fool's errand to tool up to
produce them new.
I, for one, applaud the efforts of Patrick Hals to put the Gr4/GT5
wheels back into production, and urge people to support Ed in his most
noble effort too. I've been doing what I can to help him out (doing
everything short of committing to buy a pair for myself, since I
already have two pairs). If you've always wanted a set of these wheels
and haven't been able to find them, it seems like a no-brainer to step
up and put yourself on the list now....
Mike
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