[DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Wed Jun 10 17:06:13 EDT 2015


That is Mr. Fiat's price on them, they are considerably cheaper direct from Roin as I understand.
 
The price on the Marvic 10x15 GP4 wheels is EUR1500, that puts them at $1,700 per wheel currently plus the shipping from Europe. Are you expecting the GTS wheels to come in significantly lower than that?
 
Julian
 
> From: edducati at mac.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:00:16 -0700
> To: willibillie at live.de
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
> 
> The Aluminum are $1405.00 each
> 
> http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=201248500972 
> 
> I'd rather have real mags for a couple hundred bucks more. :-)
> 
> Ed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> 
> > On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:24, R.J <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
> > 
> >   Roin in Italy already makes them in aluminium for the half price.
> >   Yes, they are more heavy than the originals but still way lighter than
> >   any of the Campy clones.
> > 
> >   Am 10.06.2015 um 17:52 schrieb Ed Mendez:
> > 
> >   Yes this is for the narrow body cars. I believe what people do and
> >   correct me if I am wrong, is take their existing 8x15 rears and move
> >   them up front and then place the 10x15 in the rear.
> > 
> >   Ed
> >   Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
> > 
> >   On Jun 10, 2015, at 07:28, Julian Kift [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> >   wrote:
> > 
> >   When I looked at the brochure attached to Ed's post it showed 10x15 and
> >   14x15 Gr4 wheels, I thought that's what we were talking about.
> > 
> >   I looked at the title again and see GTS, so this is the 10x15 rears for
> >   narrow body cars? What about matching fronts given there seems to be so
> >   many styles of Campagnolo wheel I assume one would want a matching set?
> > 
> >   Julian
> >     __________________________________________________________________
> > 
> >   From: [[2]2]guson at home.se
> >   To: [[3]3]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> >   CC: [[4]4]edducati at mac.com; [[5]5]jjdetrich at gmail.com; [[6]6]detomaso at poca.co
> > m
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
> >   Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:18:57 -0700
> >   Maybe Patrick was only promoting the Gr 4 wheels?
> > 
> >   Tomas
> >   <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
> >       From: Julian Kift [[[7]7]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
> >   Sent: 10/6/2015 3:20:56 PM
> >   To: [[8]8]edducati at mac.com;[[9]9]jjdetrich at gmail.com
> >   Cc: [[10]10]detomaso at poca.com
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
> >   I thought Marvic were already producing these wheels, available through
> >   Patrick Hals?
> >   From: [[11]11]edducati at mac.com
> >   Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:32:47 -0700
> >   To: [[12]12]jjdetrich at gmail.com
> >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
> >   CC: [[13]13]detomaso at poca.com
> >   OK, good news!
> >   Marvic Wheels is going to start building the new molds to the original
> >   long rib DeTomaso 10x15 Campignolo.
> >   Be about 4 months or so until they are complete and start producing.
> >   At that time they will have a final price.
> >   Thanks,
> >   Ed
> >>> On May 29, 2015, at 00:41, Ed Mendez <[[14]14]edducati at mac.com
> >>   <[15][15]mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> OK, We are in business!!!
> >> 
> >> He has the second design drawings (Long Rib), and he is very
> >> motivated.
> >> So how many people would be a go on this?
> >> Ed
> >> [[16]cid:805E94C1-C0EF-4187-B346-365C4C069CD8]
> >   [17]<cid:805E94C1-C0EF-4187-B346-365C4C069CD8]>
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> >> [[20]cid:1D2105EF-BCEE-4BAF-A94A-4A91A6CB2930]
> >   [21]<cid:1D2105EF-BCEE-4BAF-A94A-4A91A6CB2930]>
> >> 
> >>> On May 28, 2015, at 14:21, Jeff Detrich <[1][[22]16]jjdetrich at gmail.com
> >>   <[17][23]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Brian Dudley
> >   <[2][[24]18]bd8134 at gmail.com <[19][25]mailto:bd8134 at gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I would only want the original long-ribbed style.
> >> 
> >> I agree. I'd want the long rib design.
> >> Jeff
> >> 6559
> >> 
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   That is Mr. Fiat's price on them, they are considerably cheaper direct
   from Roin as I understand.

   The price on the Marvic 10x15 GP4 wheels is EUR1500, that puts them at
   $1,700 per wheel currently plus the shipping from Europe. Are you
   expecting the GTS wheels to come in significantly lower than that?

   Julian

   > From: edducati at mac.com
   > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:00:16 -0700
   > To: willibillie at live.de
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com
   >
   > The Aluminum are $1405.00 each
   >
   > http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=201248500972
   >
   > I'd rather have real mags for a couple hundred bucks more. :-)
   >
   > Ed
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   >
   > > On Jun 10, 2015, at 10:24, R.J <willibillie at live.de> wrote:
   > >
   > > Roin in Italy already makes them in aluminium for the half price.
   > > Yes, they are more heavy than the originals but still way lighter
   than
   > > any of the Campy clones.
   > >
   > > Am 10.06.2015 um 17:52 schrieb Ed Mendez:
   > >
   > > Yes this is for the narrow body cars. I believe what people do and
   > > correct me if I am wrong, is take their existing 8x15 rears and
   move
   > > them up front and then place the 10x15 in the rear.
   > >
   > > Ed
   > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
   > >
   > > On Jun 10, 2015, at 07:28, Julian Kift
   [1]<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   > > wrote:
   > >
   > > When I looked at the brochure attached to Ed's post it showed 10x15
   and
   > > 14x15 Gr4 wheels, I thought that's what we were talking about.
   > >
   > > I looked at the title again and see GTS, so this is the 10x15 rears
   for
   > > narrow body cars? What about matching fronts given there seems to
   be so
   > > many styles of Campagnolo wheel I assume one would want a matching
   set?
   > >
   > > Julian
   > > __________________________________________________________________
   > >
   > > From: [[2]2]guson at home.se
   > > To: [[3]3]julian_kift at hotmail.com
   > > CC: [[4]4]edducati at mac.com; [[5]5]jjdetrich at gmail.com;
   [[6]6]detomaso at poca.co
   > > m
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
   > > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:18:57 -0700
   > > Maybe Patrick was only promoting the Gr 4 wheels?
   > >
   > > Tomas
   > > <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande----->
   > > From: Julian Kift [[[7]7]julian_kift at hotmail.com]
   > > Sent: 10/6/2015 3:20:56 PM
   > > To: [[8]8]edducati at mac.com;[[9]9]jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > > Cc: [[10]10]detomaso at poca.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
   > > I thought Marvic were already producing these wheels, available
   through
   > > Patrick Hals?
   > > From: [[11]11]edducati at mac.com
   > > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:32:47 -0700
   > > To: [[12]12]jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 10x15 Campagnolo Pantera GTS wheels
   > > CC: [[13]13]detomaso at poca.com
   > > OK, good news!
   > > Marvic Wheels is going to start building the new molds to the
   original
   > > long rib DeTomaso 10x15 Campignolo.
   > > Be about 4 months or so until they are complete and start
   producing.
   > > At that time they will have a final price.
   > > Thanks,
   > > Ed
   > >>> On May 29, 2015, at 00:41, Ed Mendez <[[14]14]edducati at mac.com
   > >> <[15][15]mailto:edducati at mac.com>> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> OK, We are in business!!!
   > >>
   > >> He has the second design drawings (Long Rib), and he is very
   > >> motivated.
   > >> So how many people would be a go on this?
   > >> Ed
   > >> [[16]cid:805E94C1-C0EF-4187-B346-365C4C069CD8]
   > > [17]<cid:805E94C1-C0EF-4187-B346-365C4C069CD8]>
   > >> [[18]cid:034136E8-4028-4CFD-8807-A3EB9F9CDBB0]
   > > [19]<cid:034136E8-4028-4CFD-8807-A3EB9F9CDBB0]>
   > >> [[20]cid:1D2105EF-BCEE-4BAF-A94A-4A91A6CB2930]
   > > [21]<cid:1D2105EF-BCEE-4BAF-A94A-4A91A6CB2930]>
   > >>
   > >>> On May 28, 2015, at 14:21, Jeff Detrich
   <[1][[22]16]jjdetrich at gmail.com
   > >> <[17][23]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Brian Dudley
   > > <[2][[24]18]bd8134 at gmail.com <[19][25]mailto:bd8134 at gmail.com>>
   > >> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> I would only want the original long-ribbed style.
   > >>
   > >> I agree. I'd want the long rib design.
   > >> Jeff
   > >> 6559
   > >>
   > >> References
   > >>
   > >> 1. [20][26]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   <[21][27]mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   > >> 2. [22][28]mailto:bd8134 at gmail.com
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