[DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
Michael Shortt
michaelsavga at gmail.com
Mon Jul 27 14:58:58 EDT 2015
There was no 1000
On Jul 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> If the first Pantera was #1000, car #1500 would be the 501st car.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 7/24/15, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
> To: edducati at mac.com, michaelsavga at gmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at poca.com
> Date: Friday, July 24, 2015, 5:51 PM
>
> In a message dated
> 7/23/15 17 58 3, edducati at mac.com
> writes:
>
> I called Wilkinson, they know of
> 1001, but do not have it.
>
> >>>He told me it's owned by the
> widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has made
> arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the
> deal hasn't been
> consummated.
>
> > He also said
> the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
> know.
>
> >>>But not true. The DOT
> certification testing, including crash
> testing, was performed by an independent
> company, Ogden Technology
> Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from
> September through December
> 1970 (the crash testing may have happened
> later than that?). The cars
> used were:
> 1005 (red)
> 1006 (yellow)
> 1010 (black)
> 1011 (green)
> 1005 was crash-tested, and failed
> miserably. Here's the video of that
> test:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
> Now, it's possible that some cars were
> crashed in Europe and they had
> no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the
> likelihood of that. For
> years, a car that was crashed in Europe
> and passed the test was kept
> rattling around in the Vignale factory;
> there are numerous photos of it
> in books, in a light color (yellow or
> white) and covered with black
> grid markings, with the front end all
> caved in. But the cabin is in
> much better shape than 1005 above.
>
> >> So
> theoretically,A if you have #1500, it is the 500th
> Pantera.
> > So mine #1660
> is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
>
> >>>True dat.
>
> >> He also
> confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
> #1286,
> > thus 1001
> thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
> order
> > as we all
> know ).
>
> >>>Totally false. The first
> US import Pantera was #1286, and it was a
> pushbutton. For years it was said
> that the first 75 cars imported to
> the USA were pushbuttons, and that may
> well be true, but there are
> plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher
> than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
> Either this is because some pushbutton
> cars in this range were sold in
> Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production
> at this time was coming to the
> USA, then the number is greater than
> 75. The highest known pushbutton
> is #1383, and the earliest known square
> doorhandle car is #1387. So
> the changeover happened somewhere in
> there....
> Mike
> P.S. Although there is no longer a
> business called Ogden Labs, on a
> whim I just called the phone number listed
> for them in the original
> testing report. To my amazement, a
> woman answered and told me that
> they were still in the same location,
> still doing DOT-type testing, but
> the business had a different name.
> What's more, the woman speaking to
> me had been working there back when the
> Panteras were tested! She had
> some fun stories to tell. Apparently
> they LOVED it when the Pantera
> contract came to them, as they would take
> the cars out on the road to
> go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of
> heads.
> Unfortunately, they no longer have any of
> the records from those
> days--it all went to the landfill years
> ago. I'm glad I have what I
> have, although it's very incomplete.
> Fun stuff!
>
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There was no 1000
On Jul 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "marshall smith"
<[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
If the first Pantera was #1000, car #1500 would be the 501st car.
--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 7/24/15, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
wrote:
A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
A To: [3]edducati at mac.com, [4]michaelsavga at gmail.com
A Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
A Date: Friday, July 24, 2015, 5:51 PM
A A A A In a message dated
A 7/23/15 17 58 3, [6]edducati at mac.com
A writes:
A A A A A I called Wilkinson, they know of
A 1001, but do not have it.
A A A A >>>He told me it's owned by the
A widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has made
A A A A arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the
A deal hasn't been
A A A A consummated.
A A A A A >A A A He also said
A the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
A A A A A know.
A A A A >>>But not true.A The DOT
A certification testing, including crash
A A A A testing, was performed by an independent
A company, Ogden Technology
A A A A Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from
A September through December
A A A A 1970 (the crash testing may have happened
A later than that?).A The cars
A A A A used were:
A A A A 1005 (red)
A A A A 1006 (yellow)
A A A A 1010 (black)
A A A A 1011 (green)
A A A A 1005 was crash-tested, and failed
A miserably.A Here's the video of that
A A A A test:
A A A A [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
A A A A Now, it's possible that some cars were
A crashed in Europe and they had
A A A A no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the
A likelihood of that.A For
A A A A years, a car that was crashed in Europe
A and passed the test was kept
A A A A rattling around in the Vignale factory;
A there are numerous photos of it
A A A A in books, in a light color (yellow or
A white) and covered with black
A A A A grid markings, with the front end all
A caved in.A But the cabin is in
A A A A much better shape than 1005 above.
A A A A A >>A A A So
A theoretically,AA if you have #1500, it is the 500th
A Pantera.
A A A A A >A A A So mine #1660
A is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
A A A A >>>True dat.
A A A A A >>A A A He also
A confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
A A A A A #1286,
A A A A A >A A A thus 1001
A thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
A A A A A order
A A A A A >A A A as we all
A know ).
A A A A >>>Totally false.A The first
A US import Pantera was #1286, and it was a
A A A A pushbutton.A For years it was said
A that the first 75 cars imported to
A A A A the USA were pushbuttons, and that may
A well be true, but there are
A A A A plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher
A than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
A A A A Either this is because some pushbutton
A cars in this range were sold in
A A A A Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production
A at this time was coming to the
A A A A USA, then the number is greater than
A 75.A The highest known pushbutton
A A A A is #1383, and the earliest known square
A doorhandle car is #1387.A So
A A A A the changeover happened somewhere in
A there....
A A A A Mike
A A A A P.S.A Although there is no longer a
A business called Ogden Labs, on a
A A A A whim I just called the phone number listed
A for them in the original
A A A A testing report.A To my amazement, a
A woman answered and told me that
A A A A they were still in the same location,
A still doing DOT-type testing, but
A A A A the business had a different name.A
A What's more, the woman speaking to
A A A A me had been working there back when the
A Panteras were tested!A She had
A A A A some fun stories to tell.A Apparently
A they LOVED it when the Pantera
A A A A contract came to them, as they would take
A the cars out on the road to
A A A A go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of
A heads.
A A A A Unfortunately, they no longer have any of
A the records from those
A A A A days--it all went to the landfill years
A ago.A I'm glad I have what I
A A A A have, although it's very incomplete.
A A A A Fun stuff!
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