[DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera

Michael Shortt michaelsavga at gmail.com
Mon Jul 27 14:58:58 EDT 2015


There was no 1000
On Jul 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> If the first Pantera was #1000, car #1500 would be the 501st car.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 7/24/15, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
>  To: edducati at mac.com, michaelsavga at gmail.com
>  Cc: detomaso at poca.com
>  Date: Friday, July 24, 2015, 5:51 PM
>
>     In a message dated
>  7/23/15 17 58 3, edducati at mac.com
>  writes:
>
>          I called Wilkinson, they know of
>  1001, but do not have it.
>
>     >>>He told me it's owned by the
>  widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has made
>     arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the
>  deal hasn't been
>     consummated.
>
>       >   He also said
>  the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
>       know.
>
>     >>>But not true.  The DOT
>  certification testing, including crash
>     testing, was performed by an independent
>  company, Ogden Technology
>     Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from
>  September through December
>     1970 (the crash testing may have happened
>  later than that?).  The cars
>     used were:
>     1005 (red)
>     1006 (yellow)
>     1010 (black)
>     1011 (green)
>     1005 was crash-tested, and failed
>  miserably.  Here's the video of that
>     test:
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
>     Now, it's possible that some cars were
>  crashed in Europe and they had
>     no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the
>  likelihood of that.  For
>     years, a car that was crashed in Europe
>  and passed the test was kept
>     rattling around in the Vignale factory;
>  there are numerous photos of it
>     in books, in a light color (yellow or
>  white) and covered with black
>     grid markings, with the front end all
>  caved in.  But the cabin is in
>     much better shape than 1005 above.
>
>       >>   So
>  theoretically,A  if you have #1500, it is the 500th
>  Pantera.
>       >   So mine #1660
>  is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
>
>     >>>True dat.
>
>       >>   He also
>  confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
>       #1286,
>       >   thus 1001
>  thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
>       order
>       >   as we all
>  know ).
>
>     >>>Totally false.  The first
>  US import Pantera was #1286, and it was a
>     pushbutton.  For years it was said
>  that the first 75 cars imported to
>     the USA were pushbuttons, and that may
>  well be true, but there are
>     plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher
>  than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
>     Either this is because some pushbutton
>  cars in this range were sold in
>     Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production
>  at this time was coming to the
>     USA, then the number is greater than
>  75.  The highest known pushbutton
>     is #1383, and the earliest known square
>  doorhandle car is #1387.  So
>     the changeover happened somewhere in
>  there....
>     Mike
>     P.S.  Although there is no longer a
>  business called Ogden Labs, on a
>     whim I just called the phone number listed
>  for them in the original
>     testing report.  To my amazement, a
>  woman answered and told me that
>     they were still in the same location,
>  still doing DOT-type testing, but
>     the business had a different name.
>  What's more, the woman speaking to
>     me had been working there back when the
>  Panteras were tested!  She had
>     some fun stories to tell.  Apparently
>  they LOVED it when the Pantera
>     contract came to them, as they would take
>  the cars out on the road to
>     go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of
>  heads.
>     Unfortunately, they no longer have any of
>  the records from those
>     days--it all went to the landfill years
>  ago.  I'm glad I have what I
>     have, although it's very incomplete.
>     Fun stuff!
>
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   There was no 1000

   On Jul 27, 2015 2:47 PM, "marshall smith"
   <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

     If the first Pantera was #1000, car #1500 would be the 501st car.
     --------------------------------------------
     On Fri, 7/24/15, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at poca.com>
     wrote:
     A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
     A To: [3]edducati at mac.com, [4]michaelsavga at gmail.com
     A Cc: [5]detomaso at poca.com
     A Date: Friday, July 24, 2015, 5:51 PM
     A A A A In a message dated
     A 7/23/15 17 58 3, [6]edducati at mac.com
     A writes:
     A A  A  A  A  I called Wilkinson, they know of
     A 1001, but do not have it.
     A A A A >>>He told me it's owned by the
     A widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has made
     A A A A arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the
     A deal hasn't been
     A A A A consummated.
     A A  A A A >A A A He also said
     A the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
     A A  A A A know.
     A A A A >>>But not true.A  The DOT
     A certification testing, including crash
     A A A A testing, was performed by an independent
     A company, Ogden Technology
     A A A A Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from
     A September through December
     A A A A 1970 (the crash testing may have happened
     A later than that?).A  The cars
     A A A A used were:
     A A A A 1005 (red)
     A A A A 1006 (yellow)
     A A A A 1010 (black)
     A A A A 1011 (green)
     A A A A 1005 was crash-tested, and failed
     A miserably.A  Here's the video of that
     A A A A test:
     A A A A [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
     A A A A Now, it's possible that some cars were
     A crashed in Europe and they had
     A A A A no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the
     A likelihood of that.A  For
     A A A A years, a car that was crashed in Europe
     A and passed the test was kept
     A A A A rattling around in the Vignale factory;
     A there are numerous photos of it
     A A A A in books, in a light color (yellow or
     A white) and covered with black
     A A A A grid markings, with the front end all
     A caved in.A  But the cabin is in
     A A A A much better shape than 1005 above.
     A A  A A A >>A A A So
     A theoretically,AA  if you have #1500, it is the 500th
     A Pantera.
     A A  A A A >A A A So mine #1660
     A is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
     A A A A >>>True dat.
     A A  A A A >>A A A He also
     A confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
     A A  A A A #1286,
     A A  A A A >A A A thus 1001
     A thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
     A A  A A A order
     A A  A A A >A A A as we all
     A know ).
     A A A A >>>Totally false.A  The first
     A US import Pantera was #1286, and it was a
     A A A A pushbutton.A  For years it was said
     A that the first 75 cars imported to
     A A A A the USA were pushbuttons, and that may
     A well be true, but there are
     A A A A plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher
     A than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
     A A A A Either this is because some pushbutton
     A cars in this range were sold in
     A A A A Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production
     A at this time was coming to the
     A A A A USA, then the number is greater than
     A 75.A  The highest known pushbutton
     A A A A is #1383, and the earliest known square
     A doorhandle car is #1387.A  So
     A A A A the changeover happened somewhere in
     A there....
     A A A A Mike
     A A A A P.S.A  Although there is no longer a
     A business called Ogden Labs, on a
     A A A A whim I just called the phone number listed
     A for them in the original
     A A A A testing report.A  To my amazement, a
     A woman answered and told me that
     A A A A they were still in the same location,
     A still doing DOT-type testing, but
     A A A A the business had a different name.A
     A What's more, the woman speaking to
     A A A A me had been working there back when the
     A Panteras were tested!A  She had
     A A A A some fun stories to tell.A  Apparently
     A they LOVED it when the Pantera
     A A A A contract came to them, as they would take
     A the cars out on the road to
     A A A A go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of
     A heads.
     A A A A Unfortunately, they no longer have any of
     A the records from those
     A A A A days--it all went to the landfill years
     A ago.A  I'm glad I have what I
     A A A A have, although it's very incomplete.
     A A A A Fun stuff!
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   5. mailto:detomaso at poca.com
   6. mailto:edducati at mac.com
   7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
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