[DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera

Sat Jul 25 20:40:10 EDT 2015

I wonder what they changed from time of this test to shipping later cars?
 Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
      From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
 To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com> 
 Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera

Wow! Was that crash ever ugly 😂
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> 
>  In a message dated 7/23/15 17 58 3, edducati at mac.com writes:
> 
>        I called Wilkinson, they know of 1001, but do not have it.
> 
>>>> He told me it's owned by the widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has made
>  arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the deal hasn't been
>  consummated.
> 
>>  He also said the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
>    know.
> 
>>>> But not true.  The DOT certification testing, including crash
>  testing, was performed by an independent company, Ogden Technology
>  Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from September through December
>  1970 (the crash testing may have happened later than that?).  The cars
>  used were:
>  1005 (red)
>  1006 (yellow)
>  1010 (black)
>  1011 (green)
>  1005 was crash-tested, and failed miserably.  Here's the video of that
>  test:
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
>  Now, it's possible that some cars were crashed in Europe and they had
>  no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the likelihood of that.  For
>  years, a car that was crashed in Europe and passed the test was kept
>  rattling around in the Vignale factory; there are numerous photos of it
>  in books, in a light color (yellow or white) and covered with black
>  grid markings, with the front end all caved in.  But the cabin is in
>  much better shape than 1005 above.
> 
>>>  So theoretically,A  if you have #1500, it is the 500th Pantera.
>>  So mine #1660 is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
> 
>>>> True dat.
> 
>>>  He also confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
>    #1286,
>>  thus 1001 thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
>    order
>>  as we all know ).
> 
>>>> Totally false.  The first US import Pantera was #1286, and it was a
>  pushbutton.  For years it was said that the first 75 cars imported to
>  the USA were pushbuttons, and that may well be true, but there are
>  plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
>  Either this is because some pushbutton cars in this range were sold in
>  Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production at this time was coming to the
>  USA, then the number is greater than 75.  The highest known pushbutton
>  is #1383, and the earliest known square doorhandle car is #1387.  So
>  the changeover happened somewhere in there....
>  Mike
>  P.S.  Although there is no longer a business called Ogden Labs, on a
>  whim I just called the phone number listed for them in the original
>  testing report.  To my amazement, a woman answered and told me that
>  they were still in the same location, still doing DOT-type testing, but
>  the business had a different name.  What's more, the woman speaking to
>  me had been working there back when the Panteras were tested!  She had
>  some fun stories to tell.  Apparently they LOVED it when the Pantera
>  contract came to them, as they would take the cars out on the road to
>  go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of heads.
>  Unfortunately, they no longer have any of the records from those
>  days--it all went to the landfill years ago.  I'm glad I have what I
>  have, although it's very incomplete.
>  Fun stuff!
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   I wonder what they changed from time of this test to shipping later
   cars?

   Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be
   ! )
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
   To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
   Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:26 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Earliest known Pantera
   Wow! Was that crash ever ugly d-
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[1]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
   >
   >  In a message dated 7/23/15 17 58 3, [2]edducati at mac.com writes:
   >
   >        I called Wilkinson, they know of 1001, but do not have it.
   >
   >>>> He told me it's owned by the widow of Ing Bertocci, and he has
   made
   >  arrangements to buy it (years ago) but the deal hasn't been
   >  consummated.
   >
   >>  He also said the crashed cars never had serial numbers, good to
   >    know.
   >
   >>>> But not true.  The DOT certification testing, including crash
   >  testing, was performed by an independent company, Ogden Technology
   >  Laboratories, Inc, in Fullerton CA, from September through December
   >  1970 (the crash testing may have happened later than that?).  The
   cars
   >  used were:
   >  1005 (red)
   >  1006 (yellow)
   >  1010 (black)
   >  1011 (green)
   >  1005 was crash-tested, and failed miserably.  Here's the video of
   that
   >  test:
   >  [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaobPuwXZbU
   >  Now, it's possible that some cars were crashed in Europe and they
   had
   >  no serial numbers, but I tend to doubt the likelihood of that.  For
   >  years, a car that was crashed in Europe and passed the test was kept
   >  rattling around in the Vignale factory; there are numerous photos of
   it
   >  in books, in a light color (yellow or white) and covered with black
   >  grid markings, with the front end all caved in.  But the cabin is in
   >  much better shape than 1005 above.
   >
   >>>  So theoretically,A  if you have #1500, it is the 500th Pantera.
   >>  So mine #1660 is the 660th car built ( June 71 ).
   >
   >>>> True dat.
   >
   >>>  He also confirmed that the first rectangular door handle was
   >    #1286,
   >>  thus 1001 thru #1285 were pushbuttons ( subject to Italian build
   >    order
   >>  as we all know ).
   >
   >>>> Totally false.  The first US import Pantera was #1286, and it was
   a
   >  pushbutton.  For years it was said that the first 75 cars imported
   to
   >  the USA were pushbuttons, and that may well be true, but there are
   >  plenty of pushbuttons with numbers higher than (1286 + 75, = 1361).
   >  Either this is because some pushbutton cars in this range were sold
   in
   >  Europe, or if 100% of Pantera production at this time was coming to
   the
   >  USA, then the number is greater than 75.  The highest known
   pushbutton
   >  is #1383, and the earliest known square doorhandle car is #1387.  So
   >  the changeover happened somewhere in there....
   >  Mike
   >  P.S.  Although there is no longer a business called Ogden Labs, on a
   >  whim I just called the phone number listed for them in the original
   >  testing report.  To my amazement, a woman answered and told me that
   >  they were still in the same location, still doing DOT-type testing,
   but
   >  the business had a different name.  What's more, the woman speaking
   to
   >  me had been working there back when the Panteras were tested!  She
   had
   >  some fun stories to tell.  Apparently they LOVED it when the Pantera
   >  contract came to them, as they would take the cars out on the road
   to
   >  go to lunch etc. and they turned a LOT of heads.
   >  Unfortunately, they no longer have any of the records from those
   >  days--it all went to the landfill years ago.  I'm glad I have what I
   >  have, although it's very incomplete.
   >  Fun stuff!
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