[DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
Ken Green
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Fri Jul 24 17:04:54 EDT 2015
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Ken
From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
Mike,
Did you this is on the inside of the cabin?
Paul
#9270
On 7/24/2015 2:43 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I covered the center tub first with dynamat, then with thick cabin insulation material from JC Whitney. It works amazingly well. The only heat I get in the cabin is from the shift lever, which picks up radiant heat from the headers through the shift rod.
>
> Since my heater isn't hooked up at all, it gets REALLY cold when driving in cold weather....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:08, Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify. I'm not talking about the heater hoses, I have shut valves for that. I'm talking about the radiator pipes that connect the radiator to the engine.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 7/24/2015 12:47 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>> When I bought 5332 it had both the shut-off valves on the bulkhead and the heater valve under the dash. Talked to Dennis at Pantera Performance and got a new valve for under the dash. Installed it, got rid of the shut-off valves, and found that I could not turn off the heat. Talked to Dennis - turns out you have to have the water flow direction correct for the valve. Reversed the hoses and now the tubes are cold when they are supposed to be.
>>>
>>> When I was putting in the new shift rod I put carpet insulation below the rod in the tunnel, both to gain some sound deadening and to provide a modicum of insulation. Now, with perhaps 1500 miles on since going through 5332 I find the car to be surprisingly cool. But, of course, we live in the Pacific Northwest - and that helps a lot. Flip side, it was pretty easy to insulate the bottom of the tunnel, if one has the console out.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:37 AM
>>> To: John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>; Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>
>>> If you look at John Taphorn's cooling update article, you can see where he takes the hot water for the heater from the radiator lines in the nose:
>>> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.pdf
>>> In general, it seems like John's approach is a worthwhile improvement, but maybe more work that you want to do.
>>> Ken
>>> From: John McKee <johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: De Tomaso List <detomaso at poca.com>; Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>
>>> The heater tubes inside the car definitely can bring the heat but insulating the bottom of the car above the radiator tubes seems like a valid thought. Anybody ever done this and have a seat of the pants comparison?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Jul 24, 2015 9:35 AM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On the L cars the heater tubes go through the center console (I believe on earlier cars they may have been in the rocker). The usual way to prevent heat from these is to install heater shut off valves in the engine bay just prior to where they enter the cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>> To: detomaso at poca.com
>>>>> From: thedrol at pobox.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:27:31 -0500
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm getting a few items together before I get my car back on the
>>>>> road. Way back when I used to drive my car, I noticed significant
>>>>> heat coming into the cabin from the radiator tubes that pass under the shifter.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the best solution to keep this heat out?
>>>>> Should I put some aluminizied heat barrier between the tubes and the
>>>>> bottom of the car?
>>>>> Or does it go under the center console inside the car?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> #9270
>>>>>
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>>>> On the L cars the heater tubes go through the center console (I
>>>> believe
>>>> on earlier cars they may have been in the rocker). The usual way to
>>>> prevent heat from these is to install heater shut off valves in
>>>> the
>>>> engine bay just prior to where they enter the cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>> > To: detomaso at poca.com
>>>> > From: thedrol at pobox.com
>>>> > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:27:31 -0500
>>>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>> >
>>>> > So I'm getting a few items together before I get my car back on
>>>> the
>>>> > road. Way back when I used to drive my car, I noticed significant
>>>> heat
>>>> > coming into the cabin from the radiator tubes that pass under the
>>>> shifter.
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the best solution to keep this heat out?
>>>> > Should I put some aluminizied heat barrier between the tubes and
>>>> the
>>>> > bottom of the car?
>>>> > Or does it go under the center console inside the car?
>>>> >
>>>> > Paul
>>>> > #9270
>>>> >
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[1]http://www.amazon.com/Dynamat-10455-Self-Adhesive-Deadener-Xtreme/dp
/B00020CB2S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437770340&sr=8-1&keywords=dynamat
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Paul Timko <thedrol at pobox.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at poca.com" <detomaso at poca.com>
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
Mike,
Did you this is on the inside of the cabin?
Paul
#9270
On 7/24/2015 2:43 PM, Mike Drew wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I covered the center tub first with dynamat, then with thick cabin
insulation material from JC Whitney. It works amazingly well. The only
heat I get in the cabin is from the shift lever, which picks up radiant
heat from the headers through the shift rod.
>
> Since my heater isn't hooked up at all, it gets REALLY cold when
driving in cold weather....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:08, Paul Timko <[2]thedrol at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify. I'm not talking about the heater hoses, I have
shut valves for that. I'm talking about the radiator pipes that
connect the radiator to the engine.
>>
>> Paul
>> #9270
>>
>> On 7/24/2015 12:47 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>> When I bought 5332 it had both the shut-off valves on the bulkhead
and the heater valve under the dash. Talked to Dennis at Pantera
Performance and got a new valve for under the dash. Installed it, got
rid of the shut-off valves, and found that I could not turn off the
heat. Talked to Dennis - turns out you have to have the water flow
direction correct for the valve. Reversed the hoses and now the tubes
are cold when they are supposed to be.
>>>
>>> When I was putting in the new shift rod I put carpet insulation
below the rod in the tunnel, both to gain some sound deadening and to
provide a modicum of insulation. Now, with perhaps 1500 miles on since
going through 5332 I find the car to be surprisingly cool. But, of
course, we live in the Pacific Northwest - and that helps a lot. Flip
side, it was pretty easy to insulate the bottom of the tunnel, if one
has the console out.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Stephen Nelson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of
Ken Green via DeTomaso
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:37 AM
>>> To: John McKee <[4]johnmckee at cox.net>; Julian Kift
<[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: De Tomaso List <[6]detomaso at poca.com>; Paul Timko
<[7]thedrol at pobox.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>
>>> If you look at John Taphorn's cooling update article, you can see
where he takes the hot water for the heater from the radiator lines in
the nose:
>>>
[8]http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/Technical/Pantera_Cooling-JTaphorn.
pdf
>>> In general, it seems like John's approach is a worthwhile
improvement, but maybe more work that you want to do.
>>> Ken
>>> From: John McKee <[9]johnmckee at cox.net>
>>> To: Julian Kift <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: De Tomaso List <[11]detomaso at poca.com>; Paul Timko
<[12]thedrol at pobox.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>
>>> The heater tubes inside the car definitely can bring the heat but
insulating the bottom of the car above the radiator tubes seems like a
valid thought. Anybody ever done this and have a seat of the pants
comparison?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Jul 24, 2015 9:35 AM,
Julian Kift <[13]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On the L cars the heater tubes go through the center console (I
believe on earlier cars they may have been in the rocker). The usual
way to prevent heat from these is to install heater shut off valves in
the engine bay just prior to where they enter the cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>> To: [14]detomaso at poca.com
>>>>> From: [15]thedrol at pobox.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:27:31 -0500
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'm getting a few items together before I get my car back on
the
>>>>> road. Way back when I used to drive my car, I noticed
significant
>>>>> heat coming into the cabin from the radiator tubes that pass
under the shifter.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the best solution to keep this heat out?
>>>>> Should I put some aluminizied heat barrier between the tubes and
the
>>>>> bottom of the car?
>>>>> Or does it go under the center console inside the car?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> #9270
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On the L cars the heater tubes go through the center console (I
>>>> believe
>>>> on earlier cars they may have been in the rocker). The usual
way to
>>>> prevent heat from these is to install heater shut off valves
in
>>>> the
>>>> engine bay just prior to where they enter the cabin.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>> > To: [18]detomaso at poca.com
>>>> > From: [19]thedrol at pobox.com
>>>> > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:27:31 -0500
>>>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Tube Insulation
>>>> >
>>>> > So I'm getting a few items together before I get my car back
on
>>>> the
>>>> > road. Way back when I used to drive my car, I noticed
significant
>>>> heat
>>>> > coming into the cabin from the radiator tubes that pass under
the
>>>> shifter.
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the best solution to keep this heat out?
>>>> > Should I put some aluminizied heat barrier between the tubes
and
>>>> the
>>>> > bottom of the car?
>>>> > Or does it go under the center console inside the car?
>>>> >
>>>> > Paul
>>>> > #9270
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
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