[DeTomaso] NPC - [ballotbin website]Voting

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Jul 18 10:50:23 EDT 2015 

I wasn't questioning types of member, just the fact that an Associate Member votes via the ballot of a Regular Member and in your own words you have no way of telling who voted, so what you may be seeing in the tally are not the votes/opinions of those Associate Members, but twice the opinion of the Regular Member. Any Regular Member can register an Associate Member (and I encourage all to do so now) and thereby gain two votes.
JulianSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -  [ballotbin website]Voting
From: edducati at mac.com
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 22:39:20 -0700
CC: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com

This is straight out of our bylaws, their is no debacle:
ARTICLE III    MEMBERSSection 1.  Classification of Members: There shall be three (3) classes of members of the Club; Regular members, Associate members, and Honorary members, which are defined as follows:(a)     Regular Members:  The Regular members of the Club shall consist of those persons who have an interest in the furtherance of the DeTomaso marque and DeTomaso automobiles.  Each Regular member shall have equal voting rights, and each Regular member in good standing shall have one vote.(b)    Associate Members:  The spouse of a Regular member, or one (1) other person designated by the Regular member shall be Associate members.  The designation of an Associate member shall be made by the Regular member on his/her initial membership application or at the time of submitting a renewal application.  A child of a Regular member shall be eligible for membership as the Associate member provided that he/she resides in the same household with the Regular member, resides in an educational institution of higher learning, or is in the armed forces.  Associate members, if 18 years of age, shall have voting privileges.(c)     Honorary Members:  The Club may, from time to time, elect persons to the status of Honorary members by reason of some special service to the Club, automotive industry, or for the good of the sport.  An Honorary member shall not be eligible to hold office nor have voting privileges, and shall not be liable for dues.
On Jul 17, 2015, at 22:11, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:   Larry,
   Written somewhat tongue in cheek, but the POCA voting debaucle does not
   want to die. A member effectively gets two votes if he/she regsiters an
   associate for the same one entry fee; IMO either update the Associate
   Member register with contact details to ensure one person gets one vote
   or restrict voting to fully paid up primary members only.
   So California gives illegals driving licenses and now there's no
   requirment to prove US Citizenship to vote....Hmmmmmm
   I suspect on the subject of a US Citizenship test I could outperform
   many CItizens....
   Julian
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:44:37 -0700
To: detomaso at poca.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - [ballotbin website]Voting
From: detomaso at poca.com

Julian wrote:

consistent with US general election voting policy i.e. you don't need
   to be a real person or have a unique ID to vote ;>)

----------------------

Hmmmm?

Me thinks (that's kinda British sounding, eh?) (A little Canadian
   thrown in for good measure too, eh?) Julian better do some more
   studying before taking a US citizenship test. ;>)

Larry -

actually, most US Polticians' view of US election voting policy is
   something like - "Citizens can (unless we disenfranchise them through
   new voting regulations) vote for whoever they want. The guys who send
   me money will control what I do and for whom."
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   I wasn't questioning types of member, just the fact that an Associate
   Member votes via the ballot of a Regular Member and in your own words
   you have no way of telling who voted, so what you may be seeing in the
   tally are not the votes/opinions of those Associate Members, but twice
   the opinion of the Regular Member. Any Regular Member can register an
   Associate Member (and I encourage all to do so now) and thereby gain
   two votes.
   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - [ballotbin website]Voting
   From: edducati at mac.com
   Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 22:39:20 -0700
   CC: fresnofinches at aol.com; detomaso at poca.com
   To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   This is straight out of our bylaws, their is no debacle:

   ARTICLE III    MEMBERS

   Section 1.  Classification of Members:

   There shall be three (3) classes of members of the Club; Regular
   members, Associate members, and Honorary members, which are defined as
   follows:

   (a)     Regular Members:  The Regular members of the Club shall consist
   of those persons who have an interest in the furtherance of the
   DeTomaso marque and DeTomaso automobiles.  Each Regular member shall
   have equal voting rights, and each Regular member in good standing
   shall have one vote.

   (b)    Associate Members:  The spouse of a Regular member, or one (1)
   other person designated by the Regular member shall be Associate
   members.  The designation of an Associate member shall be made by the
   Regular member on his/her initial membership application or at the time
   of submitting a renewal application.  A child of a Regular member shall
   be eligible for membership as the Associate member provided that he/she
   resides in the same household with the Regular member, resides in an
   educational institution of higher learning, or is in the armed forces.
   Associate members, if 18 years of age, shall have voting privileges.

   (c)     Honorary Members:  The Club may, from time to time, elect
   persons to the status of Honorary members by reason of some special
   service to the Club, automotive industry, or for the good of the
   sport.  An Honorary member shall not be eligible to hold office nor
   have voting privileges, and shall not be liable for dues.

   On Jul 17, 2015, at 22:11, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

     Larry,
     Written somewhat tongue in cheek, but the POCA voting debaucle does
   not
     want to die. A member effectively gets two votes if he/she regsiters
   an
     associate for the same one entry fee; IMO either update the Associate
     Member register with contact details to ensure one person gets one
   vote
     or restrict voting to fully paid up primary members only.
     So California gives illegals driving licenses and now there's no
     requirment to prove US Citizenship to vote....Hmmmmmm
     I suspect on the subject of a US Citizenship test I could outperform
     many CItizens....
     Julian

     Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:44:37 -0700
     To: [2]detomaso at poca.com
     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - [ballotbin website]Voting
     From: [3]detomaso at poca.com
     Julian wrote:
     consistent with US general election voting policy i.e. you don't
     need

     to be a real person or have a unique ID to vote ;>)

     ----------------------
     Hmmmm?
     Me thinks (that's kinda British sounding, eh?) (A little Canadian

     thrown in for good measure too, eh?) Julian better do some more
     studying before taking a US citizenship test. ;>)

     Larry -
     actually, most US Polticians' view of US election voting policy is

     something like - "Citizens can (unless we disenfranchise them through
     new voting regulations) vote for whoever they want. The guys who send
     me money will control what I do and for whom."

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