[DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting

Fri Jul 17 13:33:10 EDT 2015

So Jack kindly sent me a PDF of the Newsletter and I have all I need to vote on the proposed changes.

That said I see the electronic voting form provides a Member & Associate vote on the same form. I recall some prior discussion on electronic voting having to have strict rules to ensure voting cannot be falsified and a complete and updated list of all Associate members being an issue that required to be resolved. 

Presumably Associate Members have an equal voting right, so how does the form ensure one member one vote? I have to vote on behalf of my Associate Member, should they not receive a separate ballot?

Julian

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:35:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
From: asajay at asajay.com
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com

Dang, what a great idea!Whoever is manging the web site, Ed, should post an article on the front page with the pages published in the newsletter.  This way everyone could see them.  After all, as Julian points out, the By-Laws are published publicly, there's no reason the changes can't be too.
I'm sure this will make the process go much smoother for everybody.Asa Jay
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks

Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

With all due respect I thought the electronic voting was primarily to address the more distant members who had trouble in returning postal votes by the deadlines and in the same vein hopefully increase member voting participation. If the information pertaining to the proposed By-Law changes cannot be distributed similarly then little has been gained from my perspective as we have no idea what we are voting on.... and all of sudden it starts sounding like a 2016 US Presidential election!

I would recommend the information filter out through Chapter Presidents for dissemination to members (with encouragement to vote) and be posted in an appropriate location on the POCA website. The By-Laws are there, so why not add the proposed changes?

Julian
From: tecnosound at hotmail.com
To: bill at incendium.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com; edducati at mac.com
CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:39:33 -0700

Did  you mean to you the expression "cart in front of the horse "? If that's the case , What is out of order ? The newsletters were sent . I received mine today that includes an explanation just like Ed pointed out .  I don't think anyone can control the fact that the US Post office can not deliver to everyone on the same day . Also  emails were sent ,( which can be sent and received at the same time) Looks to me like people are doing a commendable job . And there's nothing like doing a commendable job , only to have people try and find fault with it .

> From: bill at incendium.com
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; edducati at mac.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:04:53 -0600
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
> 
> Hi All:
> Once again, horse in front of the cart, -.-.-. The "powers that be" should
> explains things up front and in the proper order. 
> 
> I can vote via email, on what ?
> Then I'm told to vote...
> Oh Gee, no newsletter yet
> 
> "comeonman"
> 
> Cheers:
> 
> Please use my bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
> 
> Bill Moore
> Incendium Supply Ltd.
> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
> 403.202.0055
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift
> Sent: July-14-15 12:50 PM
> To: Ed Mendez
> Cc: De Tomaso List; vote at poca.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
> 
> Ah thanks, as we have made the move to electronic voting can we distribute
> the reference material electronically too? Working outside the U.S. I won't
> see my newsletters until late August sometime.
>  
> Julian
>  
> Subject: Re: [ballotbin website]Voting
> From: edducati at mac.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:32:36 -0700
> CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> 
> They are in the latest newsletter of July 2015 page 6. :-) Ed
> 
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:Ed,
>  
> Thanks, but now I need the proposed changes to the articles to decide
> whether I am for or against them.
>  
> Julian
>  
> > Subject: Re: [ballotbin website]Voting
> > From: edducati at mac.com
> > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:50:55 -0700
> > CC: vote at poca.com
> > To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 
> > Its started now.
> > 
> > Ed
> > > On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:47, jp at guatec.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > I received an email to vote, but no idea what I am voting for and 
> > > the site says the election is closed? Julian
> > 
>  		 	   		  
> 
> 
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   So Jack kindly sent me a PDF of the Newsletter and I have all I need to
   vote on the proposed changes.

   That said I see the electronic voting form provides a Member &
   Associate vote on the same form. I recall some prior discussion on
   electronic voting having to have strict rules to ensure voting cannot
   be falsified and a complete and updated list of all Associate members
   being an issue that required to be resolved.

   Presumably Associate Members have an equal voting right, so how does
   the form ensure one member one vote? I have to vote on behalf of my
   Associate Member, should they not receive a separate ballot?

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:35:37 -0700
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
   From: asajay at asajay.com
   To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   CC: detomaso at poca.com
   Dang, what a great idea!
   Whoever is manging the web site, Ed, should post an article on the
   front page with the pages published in the newsletter.  This way
   everyone could see them.  After all, as Julian points out, the By-Laws
   are published publicly, there's no reason the changes can't be too.
   I'm sure this will make the process go much smoother for everybody.
   Asa Jay
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   With all due respect I thought the electronic voting was primarily to
   address the more distant members who had trouble in returning postal
   votes by the deadlines and in the same vein hopefully increase member
   voting participation. If the information pertaining to the proposed
   By-Law changes cannot be distributed similarly then little has been
   gained from my perspective as we have no idea what we are voting on....
   and all of sudden it starts sounding like a 2016 US Presidential
   election!

   I would recommend the information filter out through Chapter Presidents
   for dissemination to members (with encouragement to vote) and be posted
   in an appropriate location on the POCA website. The By-Laws are there,
   so why not add the proposed changes?

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: tecnosound at hotmail.com
   To: bill at incendium.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com; edducati at mac.com
   CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
   Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:39:33 -0700
   Did  you mean to you the expression "cart in front of the horse "? If
   that's the case , What is out of order ? The newsletters were sent . I
   received mine today that includes an explanation just like Ed pointed
   out .  I don't think anyone can control the fact that the US Post
   office can not deliver to everyone on the same day . Also  emails were
   sent ,( which can be sent and received at the same time) Looks to me
   like people are doing a commendable job . And there's nothing like
   doing a commendable job , only to have people try and find fault with
   it .

   > From: bill at incendium.com
   > To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; edducati at mac.com
   > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:04:53 -0600
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
   >
   > Hi All:
   > Once again, horse in front of the cart, -.-.-. The "powers that be"
   should
   > explains things up front and in the proper order.
   >
   > I can vote via email, on what ?
   > Then I'm told to vote...
   > Oh Gee, no newsletter yet
   >
   > "comeonman"
   >
   > Cheers:
   >
   > Please use my bill at incendium.com email address in all messages.
   >
   > Bill Moore
   > Incendium Supply Ltd.
   > Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
   > Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
   > 403.202.0055[1] Call: 403.202.0055 [2]Call: 403.202.0055
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf Of Julian
   Kift
   > Sent: July-14-15 12:50 PM
   > To: Ed Mendez
   > Cc: De Tomaso List; vote at poca.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [ballotbin website]Voting
   >
   > Ah thanks, as we have made the move to electronic voting can we
   distribute
   > the reference material electronically too? Working outside the U.S. I
   won't
   > see my newsletters until late August sometime.
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > Subject: Re: [ballotbin website]Voting
   > From: edducati at mac.com
   > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:32:36 -0700
   > CC: detomaso at poca.com; vote at poca.com
   > To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   >
   > They are in the latest newsletter of July 2015 page 6. :-) Ed
   >
   > On Jul 14, 2015, at 11:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:Ed,
   >
   > Thanks, but now I need the proposed changes to the articles to decide
   > whether I am for or against them.
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > > Subject: Re: [ballotbin website]Voting
   > > From: edducati at mac.com
   > > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:50:55 -0700
   > > CC: vote at poca.com
   > > To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   > >
   > > Its started now.
   > >
   > > Ed
   > > > On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:47, jp at guatec.com wrote:
   > > >
   > > > I received an email to vote, but no idea what I am voting for and
   > > > the site says the election is closed? Julian
   > >
   >
   >
   >
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