[DeTomaso] Nose Job on ebay Pantera

[MikeLDrew at aol.com]

In a message dated 7/14/15 14 36 9, guson at home.se writes:


> Besides the spoiler there seems to be some kind of added rim to the whole 
> front end.
> 

>>>It's a one-piece affair that is U-shaped and wraps around the sides of 
the car, going up to the beltline.   I can't remember if that's the Peter 
Revson or the Mind Train unit, but it was available in the 1970s and early 
1980s.   I think Jack DeRyke's Pantera has the same one?

BTW, I was helping Fred Phillips who was considering buying this car some 
time ago, but he passed due to the numerous unknowns.   For starters, 
although it had a Georgia plate, in fact it's a New York car.   The owner admitted 
that he never bothered to register the car in New York, but it's spent much 
of its life there, up in the salt.   Too, being a Georgia car, it has no 
title, which makes registration problematic for an outside-the-USA buyer.

But the real show-stopper was the appearance of rust.   The seller is very 
glib about the condition of the car, insisting that he 'knows cars' because 
he has had a lot of them, and he knows that this car is rust-free, other 
than a few minor, insignificant spots, including the rockers which are pictured 
in the auction.

We both came to the conclusion that he is either disingenuous or 
delusional.   Where there's smoke, there's fire, and it's quite likely that this car 
has extensive corrosion; we got to see very poor-quality, low-res photos of 
the underside and there was plenty of evidence to that effect.   

I think the car is worth saving, but it should be approached as the 
foundation for a quality restoration, rather than as a turn-key, quality car, which 
is how it is being marketed.   I hope it will find a good home with a 
deep-pockets owner who will spare no expense returning it to its former glory!

Mike
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   In a message dated 7/14/15 14 36 9, guson at home.se writes:

     Besides the spoiler there seems to be some kind of added rim to the
     whole front end.

   >>>It's a one-piece affair that is U-shaped and wraps around the sides
   of the car, going up to the beltline.  I can't remember if that's the
   Peter Revson or the Mind Train unit, but it was available in the 1970s
   and early 1980s.  I think Jack DeRyke's Pantera has the same one?
   BTW, I was helping Fred Phillips who was considering buying this car
   some time ago, but he passed due to the numerous unknowns.  For
   starters, although it had a Georgia plate, in fact it's a New York
   car.  The owner admitted that he never bothered to register the car in
   New York, but it's spent much of its life there, up in the salt.  Too,
   being a Georgia car, it has no title, which makes registration
   problematic for an outside-the-USA buyer.
   But the real show-stopper was the appearance of rust.  The seller is
   very glib about the condition of the car, insisting that he 'knows
   cars' because he has had a lot of them, and he knows that this car is
   rust-free, other than a few minor, insignificant spots, including the
   rockers which are pictured in the auction.
   We both came to the conclusion that he is either disingenuous or
   delusional.  Where there's smoke, there's fire, and it's quite likely
   that this car has extensive corrosion; we got to see very poor-quality,
   low-res photos of the underside and there was plenty of evidence to
   that effect.
   I think the car is worth saving, but it should be approached as the
   foundation for a quality restoration, rather than as a turn-key,
   quality car, which is how it is being marketed.  I hope it will find a
   good home with a deep-pockets owner who will spare no expense returning
   it to its former glory!
   Mike