[DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
Dennis Valdez
sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Fri Jul 10 17:08:06 EDT 2015
You are correct! Glad I stuck to R-12
Found this link on HC refrigerants as well.
A video of a hydrocarbon refrigerant demonstration which wen
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On Friday, July 10, 2015 1:09 PM, James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com> wrote:
Red Tek's own web sight describes it as "an Alkane/Hydrocarbon from the
same hydrocarbon family as propane and butane"
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:24:26 -0700
> To: jderyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> From: detomaso at poca.com
> CC: detomaso at poca.com
>
> I did use R-12 after all. Are you guys saying that the Red Tek 12a is
actually propane?
>
> Dennis Valdez
>
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> > All Boyd said is true, plus no reputable AC shop will work on your
> > system both due to contaminating their recovery systems and for
safety
> > concerns. You'll be lonely....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Boyd Casey <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > To: Bill Moore <bill at incendium.com>
> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 5:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a
?
> > Read the Ford Manual. The bottom line is the pressure gauge on the
ac
> > fill
> > hoses. You do not want to overfill your system.
> > Stick with r-12. If you want
> > to update your system you need to change
> > your dryer and all your hoses. Even
> > though propane is supposed to work
> > if (god forbid) you used Propane in your
> > car A and some event caused a
> > fire you could be subject to civil and
> > criminal penalties and your
> > insurance might disallow any claims brought by
> > you or the other driver.
> > This is an example of "penny wise and pound
> > foolish" Do what you want
> > A but why ask for advice on a subject that is
> > clearly marked as illegal
> > (DOT , EPA) both prohibit the use of propane A in
> > ac systems in the
> > USA.A Why risk the value of your car and the risk of A
> > losing a major
> > lawsuit to save a few dollars to use something that clearly
> > has the
> > potential to be very dangerous.[1]unapproved refrigerentsA A
> > A
> > A [1]http://hackaday.com/2010/06/15/recharging-ac-with-propane/
> > This
> > information was found on the net so take it with a grain of salt.
> > I just
> > believe it's just a better idea to avoid breaking the law when
> > ever possible
> > especially when the only motivation is to save a few
> > dollars!
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bill Moore
<[2][2]bill at incendium.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > A A Open the windows and go fast.
> > A A Cheers,
> > A A
> > Bill Moore
> > A A Incendium Supply
> > A A Calgary
> >
> > A A --------
> > Original message --------
> > A A From: Larry - Ohio Time
> > <[3][3]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > A A Date: 2015-06-30 8:56 AM (GMT-07:00)
> > A
> > A To: [4][4]grayjim at cox.net, [5][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > A A Cc:
> > [6][6]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek
> > 12a ?
> > A A << Their A/C systems are no different from
> > the US versions, are
> > they?>>
> > A A Yes they are different, they just open
> > the windows...
> > A A Larry (all wet) - Cleveland
> > A A -----Original
> > Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A [8][8]grayjim at cox.net
> > A A Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015
> > 10:13 AM
> > A A To: [9][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > A A Cc:
> > [10][10]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek
> > 12a ?
> > A A The only reason I ever considered it was
> > when I could not make the
> > A A R134a
> > A A work in my car. R12 was my
> > answer but that stuff is just supposed
> > to be
> > A A very efficient.
> > A
> > A Don't they use it in Canada? Their A/C systems are no different
> > from
> > A
> > A the
> > A A US versions, are they?
> > A A Jim
> > A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015
> > at 11:14 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
> > A A A Mainly because US A/C systems are
> > not designed for highly
> > flammable
> > A A refrigerants, whereas a propoane
> > fuel system is.
> > A A If R12 is available why compromise on safety for a few
> > bucks.
> > A A Julian
> > A A > From: [11][11]grayjim at cox.net To:
> > [12][12]andriykoisg at yahoo.ca;
> > A A > [13][13]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov;
> > [14][14]cengles at cox.net;
> > [15][15]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Date:
> > A A > Mon, 29 Jun
> > 2015 23:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock
> > A/C
> > A A > recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek 12a ? CC: [16][16]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A > So tempted to use
> > the stuff her in OK but law says not to be
> > used in
> > A A > motor
> > vehicles. Go figure. It's OK to have a giant propane tank
> > in
> > A A > your
> > car but not to use a highly refined propane in you're A/C.
> > A A Who's
> > A
> > A > getting paid off here?
> > A A > The original R12 works absolutely great in
> > my car. R134a...not
> > so
> > A A > much.
> > A A > Jim "Mr. R12" Gray
> > A
> > A >
> > A A > -----Original Message----- From: The Goyaniuks Sent: Sunday,
> >
> > June 28,
> > A A > 2015 8:30 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Charles Engles ;
> >
> > 'Carguy60'
> > A A Cc:
> > A A > [17][17]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> > Stock A/C recharge
> > - anyone
> > A A > try Red Tek 12a ?
> > A A > I have
> > installed DURACOOL (a R12a type system in Canada) 5 years
> > ago
> > A A > in
> > my wife's car after I replaced the failed airconditioning
> > A A > compressor
> > with a new one. Works great.A I intend to install
> > the same
> > A A > in my
> > Pantera. Highly recommended after a proper job is done
> > A A (evacuate
> > A
> > A > the system, check for leaks, fill etc.) BGA A A A From:
> > "Himes,
> > Terry
> > A A > (397C)" <[18][18]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: Charles Engles
> > A
> > A > <[19][19]cengles at cox.net>; 'Carguy60'
<[20][20]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc:
> > A A >
> > "[21][21]detomaso at poca.com" <[22][22]detomaso at poca.com> Sent:
Sunday,
> > June 28,
> > 2015
> > A A > 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone
> > try
> > Red
> > A A > Tek 12a ?
> > A A >A A Readily available in Sandy Eggo,
> > (Imported from So. of the
> > Border).
> > A A > Contact Dan Miller (Classic
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> > A A >A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent
> > life
> > A A >A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
> >
> > tried
> > A A >A A A to contact us!"
> > A A >A A Terry W. HimesA
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> > A A >A A
> > [1][23][23]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > A A >A A From: DeTomaso
> > <[2][24][24]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf
> > of Charles
> > A A > Engles
> > <[3][25][25]cengles at cox.net>A A Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015
> > 5:45 PM
> > A A >
> > To: 'Carguy60' <[4][26][26]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>A A Cc:
> >
> > "[5][27][27]detomaso at poca.com"
> > A A > <[6][28][28]detomaso at poca.com>A A Subject:
> > Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
> > recharge -
> > A A > anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> >
> > A A >A A Dear Dennis,A A A A A A So, with #7260 I assume that
> > your AC
> > still
> > A A > uses R12.A MyA #7171A A doesA A too.A The practical and
> >
> > politically
> > A A > incorrect option that is elegantlyA A simple is to check
> > your
> > local
> > A A > Craigslist for R12 Freon.A Old genuineA A R12 isA A
> > still out
> > there.
> > A A As
> > A A > the demand for it is quite low, the
> > price of itA A hasA
> > A returned to
> > A A > earth compared to the early
> > days before and after the R135
> > A A > transition.A Just buy some real R12
> > and use it without any of
> > the
> > A A > worrisomeA A considerations of
> > substitutes.A I used pound of
> > freon to
> > A A > top off theA A PanteraA
> > A before the run to Houston.
> > A A > Excommunicated by the Vatican,A Chuck
> > EnglesA A ----Original
> > A A > Message-----A A From: DeTomaso
> >
> > [[7][29]mailto:[29]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > A A On
> > A A > Behalf OfA A
> > Carguy60 viaA A DeTomasoA A Sent: Sunday, June
> > 28, 2015
> > A A 7:08
> >
> > A A > PMA A To: [8][30]deTomaso at POCA.comA A Subject: [DeTomaso]
Stock
> > A/C
> >
> > A A recharge
> > A A > - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?A A Here is the link, seems
> > it should
> > work
> > A A > without much retrofit. I don'tA A know aA A lot
> > about AC
> > systems. Any
> > A A > thoughts from those that do?A A DennisA A
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> >
> > 2. [54]mailto:bill at incendium.com
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You are correct! Glad I stuck to R-12
Found this link on HC refrigerants as well.
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On Friday, July 10, 2015 1:09 PM, James coyne <tecnosound at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Red Tek's own web sight describes it as "an Alkane/Hydrocarbon from
the
same hydrocarbon family as propane and butane"
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:24:26 -0700
> To: [5]jderyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek 12a
?
> From: [6]detomaso at poca.com
> CC: [7]detomaso at poca.com
>
> I did use R-12 after all. Are you guys saying that the Red Tek 12a
is
actually propane?
>
> Dennis Valdez
>
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[8]detomaso at poca.com> wrote:
> >
> > All Boyd said is true, plus no reputable AC shop will work on
your
> > system both due to contaminating their recovery systems and for
safety
> > concerns. You'll be lonely....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Boyd Casey <[9]boyd411 at gmail.com>
> > To: Bill Moore <[10]bill at incendium.com>
> > Cc: detomaso <[11]detomaso at poca.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 9, 2015 5:09 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone try Red Tek
12a
?
> > Read the Ford Manual. The bottom line is the pressure gauge on
the
ac
> > fill
> > hoses. You do not want to overfill your system.
> > Stick with r-12. If you want
> > to update your system you need to change
> > your dryer and all your hoses. Even
> > though propane is supposed to work
> > if (god forbid) you used Propane in your
> > car A and some event caused a
> > fire you could be subject to civil and
> > criminal penalties and your
> > insurance might disallow any claims brought by
> > you or the other driver.
> > This is an example of "penny wise and pound
> > foolish" Do what you want
> > A but why ask for advice on a subject that is
> > clearly marked as illegal
> > (DOT , EPA) both prohibit the use of propane A in
> > ac systems in the
> > USA.A Why risk the value of your car and the risk of A
> > losing a major
> > lawsuit to save a few dollars to use something that clearly
> > has the
> > potential to be very dangerous.[1]unapproved refrigerentsA A
> > A
> > A
[1][12]http://hackaday.com/2010/06/15/recharging-ac-with-propane/
> > This
> > information was found on the net so take it with a grain of salt.
> > I just
> > believe it's just a better idea to avoid breaking the law when
> > ever possible
> > especially when the only motivation is to save a few
> > dollars!
> > Boyd
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Bill Moore
<[2][2][13]bill at incendium.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > A A Open the windows and go fast.
> > A A Cheers,
> > A A
> > Bill Moore
> > A A Incendium Supply
> > A A Calgary
> >
> > A A --------
> > Original message --------
> > A A From: Larry - Ohio Time
> > <[3][3][14]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> > A A Date: 2015-06-30 8:56 AM (GMT-07:00)
> > A
> > A To: [4][4][15]grayjim at cox.net,
[5][5][16]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > A A Cc:
> > [6][6][17]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek
> > 12a ?
> > A A << Their A/C systems are no different from
> > the US versions, are
> > they?>>
> > A A Yes they are different, they just open
> > the windows...
> > A A Larry (all wet) - Cleveland
> > A A -----Original
> > Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso [[7]mailto:[7][18]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A [8][8][19]grayjim at cox.net
> > A A Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015
> > 10:13 AM
> > A A To: [9][9][20]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > A A Cc:
> > [10][10][21]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek
> > 12a ?
> > A A The only reason I ever considered it was
> > when I could not make the
> > A A R134a
> > A A work in my car. R12 was my
> > answer but that stuff is just supposed
> > to be
> > A A very efficient.
> > A
> > A Don't they use it in Canada? Their A/C systems are no different
> > from
> > A
> > A the
> > A A US versions, are they?
> > A A Jim
> > A A On Mon, Jun 29, 2015
> > at 11:14 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
> > A A A Mainly because US A/C systems are
> > not designed for highly
> > flammable
> > A A refrigerants, whereas a propoane
> > fuel system is.
> > A A If R12 is available why compromise on safety for a few
> > bucks.
> > A A Julian
> > A A > From: [11][11][22]grayjim at cox.net To:
> > [12][12][23]andriykoisg at yahoo.ca;
> > A A > [13][13][24]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov;
> > [14][14][25]cengles at cox.net;
> > [15][15][26]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Date:
> > A A > Mon, 29 Jun
> > 2015 23:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock
> > A/C
> > A A > recharge -
> > anyone try Red Tek 12a ? CC: [16][16][27]detomaso at poca.com
> > A A > So tempted to use
> > the stuff her in OK but law says not to be
> > used in
> > A A > motor
> > vehicles. Go figure. It's OK to have a giant propane tank
> > in
> > A A > your
> > car but not to use a highly refined propane in you're A/C.
> > A A Who's
> > A
> > A > getting paid off here?
> > A A > The original R12 works absolutely great in
> > my car. R134a...not
> > so
> > A A > much.
> > A A > Jim "Mr. R12" Gray
> > A
> > A >
> > A A > -----Original Message----- From: The Goyaniuks Sent:
Sunday,
> >
> > June 28,
> > A A > 2015 8:30 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Charles Engles ;
> >
> > 'Carguy60'
> > A A Cc:
> > A A > [17][17][28]detomaso at poca.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]
> > Stock A/C recharge
> > - anyone
> > A A > try Red Tek 12a ?
> > A A > I have
> > installed DURACOOL (a R12a type system in Canada) 5 years
> > ago
> > A A > in
> > my wife's car after I replaced the failed airconditioning
> > A A > compressor
> > with a new one. Works great.A I intend to install
> > the same
> > A A > in my
> > Pantera. Highly recommended after a proper job is done
> > A A (evacuate
> > A
> > A > the system, check for leaks, fill etc.) BGA A A A From:
> > "Himes,
> > Terry
> > A A > (397C)" <[18][18][29]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> To: Charles
Engles
> > A
> > A > <[19][19][30]cengles at cox.net>; 'Carguy60'
<[20][20][31]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> Cc:
> > A A >
> > "[21][21][32]detomaso at poca.com" <[22][22][33]detomaso at poca.com>
Sent:
Sunday,
> > June 28,
> > 2015
> > A A > 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C recharge - anyone
> > try
> > Red
> > A A > Tek 12a ?
> > A A >A A Readily available in Sandy Eggo,
> > (Imported from So. of the
> > Border).
> > A A > Contact Dan Miller (Classic
> > Mustang) and POCA/SDP member for
> > name,
> > A A > numberA A and address of
> > contacts.
> > A A >A A "Sometimes I think the surest signs that intelligent
> > life
> > A A >A A A exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it
has
> >
> > tried
> > A A >A A A to contact us!"
> > A A >A A Terry W. HimesA
> > [cid:4E213040-C2CF-4D73-BFFF-33B922E4588D]
> > A A >A A JPL Jet Propulsion
> > Laboratory
> > A A >A A InSight Sequence Team Lead
> > A A >A A Rosetta/MEX
> > Sequence Team Lead
> > A A >A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > A A >A A Cell:A A
> > (818) 653-8213
> > A A >A A Fax:A A (818) 393-3147
> > A A >A A
> > [1][23][23][34]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > A A >A A From: DeTomaso
> > <[2][24][24][35]detomaso-bounces at poca.com> on behalf
> > of Charles
> > A A > Engles
> > <[3][25][25][36]cengles at cox.net>A A Date: Sunday, June 28, 2015
> > 5:45 PM
> > A A >
> > To: 'Carguy60' <[4][26][26][37]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>A A Cc:
> >
> > "[5][27][27][38]detomaso at poca.com"
> > A A > <[6][28][28][39]detomaso at poca.com>A A Subject:
> > Re: [DeTomaso] Stock A/C
> > recharge -
> > A A > anyone try Red Tek 12a ?
> >
> > A A >A A Dear Dennis,A A A A A A So, with #7260 I assume that
> > your AC
> > still
> > A A > uses R12.A MyA #7171A A doesA A too.A The practical and
> >
> > politically
> > A A > incorrect option that is elegantlyA A simple is to check
> > your
> > local
> > A A > Craigslist for R12 Freon.A Old genuineA A R12 isA A
> > still out
> > there.
> > A A As
> > A A > the demand for it is quite low, the
> > price of itA A hasA
> > A returned to
> > A A > earth compared to the early
> > days before and after the R135
> > A A > transition.A Just buy some real R12
> > and use it without any of
> > the
> > A A > worrisomeA A considerations of
> > substitutes.A I used pound of
> > freon to
> > A A > top off theA A PanteraA
> > A before the run to Houston.
> > A A > Excommunicated by the Vatican,A Chuck
> > EnglesA A ----Original
> > A A > Message-----A A From: DeTomaso
> >
> > [[7][29]mailto:[29][40]detomaso-bounces at poca.com]
> > A A On
> > A A > Behalf OfA A
> > Carguy60 viaA A DeTomasoA A Sent: Sunday, June
> > 28, 2015
> > A A 7:08
> >
> > A A > PMA A To: [8][30][41]deTomaso at POCA.comA A Subject:
[DeTomaso]
Stock
> > A/C
> >
> > A A recharge
> > A A > - anyone try Red Tek 12a ?A A Here is the link, seems
> > it should
> > work
> > A A > without much retrofit. I don'tA A know aA A lot
> > about AC
> > systems. Any
> > A A > thoughts from those that do?A A DennisA A
> > 7260
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> >
> > 2. [54]mailto:[65]bill at incendium.com
> > 3. [55]mailto:[66]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
> > 4.
> > [56]mailto:[67]grayjim at cox.net
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> > 6.
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> > 9. [61]mailto:[72]julian_kift at hotmail.com
> > 10.
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> > 12.
> > [64]mailto:[75]andriykoisg at yahoo.ca
> > 13. [65]mailto:[76]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 14.
> > [66]mailto:[77]cengles at cox.net
> > 15. [67]mailto:[78]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
> > 16.
> > [68]mailto:[79]detomaso at poca.com
> > 17. [69]mailto:[80]detomaso at poca.com
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> > 19. [71]mailto:[82]cengles at cox.net
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> > 36.
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